Julian Assange Arrested in London

[Revoltingest]

Mr Rosenburg? is that you, Julius?

I didn't say it's useful every time.
Giving away military secrets which aid enemies, & harms national security is bad.
Giving away secrets about government misconduct which the public should know....good.

 

[Audie]

I didn't say it's useful every time.
Giving away military secrets which aid enemies, & harms national security is bad.
Giving away secrets about government misconduct which the public should know....good.

And nothing assange gave away has effect
on national security?

I wonder how I would do as a spy. I look so
innocent.

 

[Revoltingest]

And nothing assange gave away has effect
on national security?

I wonder how I would do as a spy. I look so
innocent.

Assange enhances security IMO by exposing wrongful government activity.

This isn't about you?
The Chinese woman who was arrested after gaining access to Trump's Mar-a-Lago had a hidden-camera detector in her hotel room, prosecutors say

 

[Audie]

Assange enhances security IMO by exposing wrongful government activity.

This isn't about you?
The Chinese woman who was arrested after gaining access to Trump's Mar-a-Lago had a hidden-camera detector in her hotel room, prosecutors say

They got my evil twin. I learn a lot from her mistakes.

 

[Revoltingest]

They got my evil twin. I learn a lot from her mistakes.

Oh, so she is the evil one, eh.

 

[Augustus]

After "enhanced interrogation" I hope there is sufficient leeway to challenge such an extradition regardless of the wording.

Unlikely, enough precedent for UK extraditing people to the US who were far more at risk of 'enhanced interrogation'.

 

[exchemist]

Sometimes the law is worth flouting.
Fighting government secrecy is useful too.

If you flout the law you are no position to complain about paying the penalty. So far he is paying the penalty for breaking UK law, viz. skipping bail. However, as he has done this once he will not get bail a second time, while the extradition proceedings are in progress. So he will be in custody while this happens. That is entirely his fault.

I'm intrigued though. If he is extradited, do you think he could not get a fair trial in the USA? If not, why not? Do you think the current laws protecting government secrets are unfair? Or do you think the US legal system is corrupt? It would be a jury trial, I presume.

 

[Revoltingest]

If you flout the law you are no position to complain about paying the penalty. So far he is paying the penalty for breaking UK law, viz. skipping bail. However, as he has done this once he will not get bail a second time, while the extradition proceedings are in progress. So he will be in custody while this happens. That is entirely his fault.

I'm intrigued though. If he is extradited, do you think he could not get a fair trial in the USA? If not, why not? Do you think the current laws protecting government secrets are unfair? Or do you think the US legal system is corrupt? It would be a jury trial, I presume.

He took his risks. There will be consequences.
I'm only saying that I approve of what he accomplished.

Just prior to Trump entering office, we had the Obama
admin instituting a much strong anti-whistleblower
campaign. Government is heading in a more oppressive
direction, & Assange resisted that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Trump kicked hillary under the bus?

Assange kicking Hillary under by leaking the documents.

 

[Shad]

For releasing the DNC emails hacked by the Russians that threw the election for Trump.

How dare Wikileak release damning information from DNC's own servers. Far better for all involved to remain in the dark! /s

 

[Shad]

So why did he only release Democratic emails, obviously he wanted Trump to win, I'm sure he had incriminating emails from the Republicans too but he never published them. Only a fool would think Trumps and the RNC's emails were any less incriminating.

As the RNC database had something called security while the DNC didn't.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As the RNC database had something called security while the DNC didn't.

Sure of that? I suspect we might soon find out.

 

[Shad]

Sure of that? I suspect we might soon find out.

Just what I read when the investigation started. The DNC system was hacked to it's core and highest levels. The RNC wasn't.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Just what I read when the investigation started. The DNC system was hacked to it's core and highest levels. The RNC wasn't.

That we know of. I would be very surprised if both weren't hacked just encase something like this happened.

 

[Shad]

That we know of. I would be very surprised if both weren't hacked just encase something like this happened.

The hack on the Republican side was a single outdated email address linked to a personal account with access to outdated emails. The personal account was hacked itself. The person had not been employed since 2012. The DNC hack was of current members emails itself. This is what the investigation has released as far.

 

[exchemist]

He took his risks. There will be consequences.
I'm only saying that I approve of what he accomplished.

Just prior to Trump entering office, we had the Obama
admin instituting a much strong anti-whistleblower
campaign. Government is heading in a more oppressive
direction, & Assange resisted that.

He also connived at disrupting the US presidential election, helping Trump to be elected. The common thread seems to be damage to the USA. Hero, schmero. (in his case schmering his own excrement on the walls of the Ecuadorian embassy, in fact.)

And he is arrested for jumping bail in connection with the extradition request from Sweden to face a rape charge. Last I heard, rape was one of the more serious crimes on the statute book.

 

[Shantanu]

Exposing the hidden reality...the one government wants us to be ignorant
of...is always inconvenient to someone. Exposing domestic surveillance,
war crimes, campaign shenanigans, etc can make some powerful enemies.
The machinery of government demands monkey wrenches at times.

The point is it is no one's duty except US citizens to conduct themselves to protect US National Security. A UK citizen has no obligations to the US government to conduct himself in ways that serves the US State. In even considering extradition through the courts the UK government is thus violating human rights. The UK is therefore existing tantamount to being a poodle (lap dog) State sacrificing its citizens without due considering of this fundamental principle on human rights. And all done through the secrecy of the respective Establishments until Parliament has an opportunity to consider and direct the government on what its proper course of action should be.

For 7 years Julian Assange was holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London with the loss of liberty that entalied and how often was the government action in cornering him there discussed in Parliament with a motion?

 

[Jumi]

It's almost funny to see both "left" and "right" celebrating this man's jailing. Both see him as an agent of the other.

 

[ecco]

For 7 years Julian Assange was holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London with the loss of liberty that entalied and how often was the government action in cornering him there discussed in Parliament with a motion?

Assange placed himself into the embassy. He stayed there for 7 years because he knew other options would be worse for him. From the reports I heard, the embassy kicked him out. When they did so, the UK cops picked him up for a bail violation. Now, instead of going crazy being trapped in an embassy, he is going to go crazier being trapped in a small cell.

 

[Stevicus]

The traitors who passed America's atomic
secrets to the Russians did so out of what they
considered to be noble motives.

This is apples to oranges. It's one thing to pass military secrets to a foreign power (who would also keep it secret), while it's yet another thing to expose it to the public so that all learn the secrets. It's also a matter of exposing wrongdoing by the government, whereas it was not illegal for our government to build atomic bombs.

I would say that the Pentagon Papers was a more analogous situation. Would you say that Ellsberg was a traitor?

The consequences include the Korean war.
A lot of people died.

The Korean War was set up when the Allied leaders agreed to divide Korea. Another problem was due to emphasis, since Truman had put most of his focus on rebuilding Europe and defending Western Europe. China and the rest of East Asia were considered a lower priority at the time. Truman was seen by some as too soft on communism and that he didn't do enough to prevent the communists from taking over China. MacArthur wanted to take a more aggressive stance against both the Soviets and the Chinese Communists, but Truman fired him.

Evidently Gavrilo Princip thought he was
noble and heroic, and here he started WW!

He was a nationalist who was fighting against what he saw as domination of his country by a foreign power. I wouldn't put him in the same category as the atomic spies.

I get the duty of civil disobedience, such as refusing
to serve in an unjust war. Whistle blowing has its
place for sure.

What Assange did was a bit much of a responsibility
for one person to take on himself.

Perhaps someone can think of a time someone
tossed a monkey wrench, and improved the world.

Some might say that Woodward and Bernstein did as much in going after Nixon. A lot of dirty laundry was exposed during their investigation, which led to many more investigations and the downfall of the Nixon Administration. Since then, other scandals and dirty laundry have been aired by the media - oftentimes protected under the guise of "anonymous sources."