SkepticThinker
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Improperly quoting someone is not what happened here. I did not put those words in his mouth. Please read them again.....
I’ve read it several times, thank you. You (or your source, more likely) misquoted George Simpson in such a way as to make it seem like he said the opposite of what he was actually saying. Read the entire quotation I provided (without cutting parts out like your source did), from start to finish and it becomes obvious.
Scientists do have enough evidence from multiple fields of science to make a very robust case for evolution. That’s why it has been the prevailing scientific theory for as long as it has. We have much more evidence beyond the fossil record, which I’ve pointed out several times now.The fossil record is anything but complete and you know it. If you listen to scientists, you'd think that they had all they needed to demonstrate that their theory is true without question, but that is simply not the case.
Nobody ever expected to be able to find fossils for every creature that ever lived. It’s just not the way fossilization works. We do have enough evidence from the fossil record (along with piles of other evidence from genetics, geology, biogeography, paleobotany, etc.) to point to the existence of evolutionary processes, as George Simpson pointed out in 1953. Scientists have compiled much more evidence even since then.
The fossil record still lacks transitional species, as it always has.
Please explain what that means to you and what you think we should expect to find.
Linking one species to another is done by suggestion. But it is never "suggested" that a related species might have appeared just as suddenly in the strata as the later species by other means. There is nothing linking them but imagination and a will to force their evidence to fit their pre-conceived ideas.
No, no, no. You don’t get to just state this again. Not after several posts going back and forth where you’ve been shown that there is much, much more than mere “suggestion” involved.
What he said is very telling....see for yourself....
"In spite of these examples, it remains true, as every paleontologist knows, that most new species, genera, and families and that nearly all new categories above the level of families appear in the record suddenly and are not led up to by known, gradual, completely continuous transitional sequences. When paleontological collecting was still in its infancy and no clear examples of transitional origin had been found, most paleontologists were anti-evolutionists. Darwin (1859) recognized the fact that paleontology then seemed to provide evidence against rather than for evolution in general or the gradual origin of taxonomic characters in particular. Now we do have many examples of transitional sequences. Almost all paleontologists recognize that the discovery of a complete transition is in any case unlikely. Most of them find it logical, if not scientifically required, to assume that the sudden appearance of a new systematic group is not evidence for special creation or for saltation, but simply means that a full transitional sequence more or less like those that are known did occur and simply has not been found in this instance."
I’ve already gone over this. Read my last post and stop ignoring the 2 paragraphs that precede the one you keep quote mining. Those are the paragraphs where he lays out the evidence and the reasoning behind his conclusions. That’s why I provided those 2 paragraphs for you in the first place – because the one you provided is incomplete and removes the context.
Do you see the part that peer pressure plays in the promotion of evolution even today? How can it be "scientifically required" to "assume" that evolution is true? In every university it is "required" for evolution to be accepted as fact. Those "examples of transitional sequences" are not proven, but assumed. Assumption, conjecture and suggestion does not make anything true. It makes it a "theory" and no one would mind in the least if it was promoted as such, but we all know that it isn't.
He’s saying that paleontologists were convinced by the EVIDENCE and the logical conclusions that could be drawn from such evidence. Notice how he says when the evidence was lacking in the 19th century, paleotonologists were anti-evolutionists? It was the discovery of new EVIDENCE that changed their minds. That's how it works.
“Now we do have many examples of transitional sequences.”
Science is a competitive arena and scientists are quite happy to prove each other wrong. As I said, anyone (including creationists) who could manage to falsify evolution would most likely become a Nobel Prize winner because such a thing would turn all of science on its head.
Evolution is what science thinks might have happened.....but the truth is not really known by any measure that man currently has...everything is open to fall in a heap with the next 'discovery'. So how are evolutionist placed in any better position than those who advocate for Intelligent Design? We are in equal standing from my estimations.
Intelligent design is not a scientific theory, and I think you’ve thoroughly demonstrated in this thread that there is no empirical evidence backing it up. So no, they’re not even remotely equal. Even if evolution turns out to be false (which seems pretty unlikely), that doesn’t make intelligent design correct by default. It has to stand or fall on its own merits and that requires demonstrating it as rigorously as evolution has been demonstrated.
Evolution has been going strong as the best explanation for the diversity of life on earth for the last century. Why haven’t creationist been able to falsify it yet, if it’s so obviously wrong?
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