Just Addressing Yet Another Absurd, Dishonest Atheistic Argument

[Thumper]

I never tried to put any label on anybody unless one claims to be as such. If one claims to be an atheist, then one is an Atheist, no need of any proof or evidence. Right? Please
Regards

What does your question even mean?

Are you really asking me to prove that I find no reason to believe that god(s) exist because I see no evidence for any god(s)?

Is that really what you're asking for?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

What does your question even mean?

Are you really asking me to prove that I find no reason to believe that god(s) exist because I see no evidence for any god(s)?

Is that really what you're asking for?

That's what the OP was asking for as well.

On some plain of insanity that must make sense.

 

[BilliardsBall]

No, nothing as personal as that.

On Being Certain: Believing You Are Right Even When You're Not - Robert A. Burton



Are you certain about that?



Nope, I've been exactly were you are now. I get it, you're playing the cards you've been dealt. Just saying maybe it's time to look for a new dealer.

You've been exactly where I am? You refused to believe in Jesus because you knew your Jewish family and friends would reject you, and then you studied out both testaments and committed to trusting Jesus?

 

[BilliardsBall]

You don't know me and your accusations of what kind of person I am are baseless and crude. I am an ethical Humanist and do not, could never "do horrid things" nor consider "all people being completely depraved."

Your view of humanity is sick. If that's what your beliefs have taught you, you really should find better beliefs.

No, you've done things you wouldn't tell someone else. You'd be the first person not to do so. Be honest. Be consistent.

 

[BilliardsBall]

There are people who went through much worse than that. In war for their country, for instance. And they do not retun alive and kicking after a few days.



Well, then say that he got tortured for me. And not that he died for me. Because the latter is not impressing at all.

By the way, why are you not volunteering? If you knew you would return as the Master of the Universe in full glory and all, wouldn't you do that provisional sacrifice for all humanity?

Ciao

- viole

You are right. Jesus suffered a horrible death by torture for us both, all the more worse because He was innocent, more innocent than any other martyr.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Why do you say that Jesus has never done anything shameful? He's described doing some pretty nasty things in the Bible.


If you expect the person you're trying to have a fight with to open up to you, you're going to be disappointed.

Millions of us obviously interpret the scriptures differently. But be careful. You will be discussing your opinion of Jesus with Jesus.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You're coming across much worse than most.


Again: your actions suggest that you don't love me.

I've never spat on or assaulted a proselytizer. I've said "I'm not interested" or occasionally "I mean it - leave me alone," but that's it.


I'm very selective on who I consider an enemy. It's a label I've only ever applied to a few people.

And if you're going around referring to people as "enemy", I question whether you actually love them. Speaking for myself, I don't call anyone I love "enemy."

Let's both not be so self-centered. Would you call the people who currently torture and martyr Christians just for being Christian friends of Christians or their enemies?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Well cheers, glad I could break your streak.

How have you loved your enemy?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Post it yourself.

I have no interest in conversing with you. At this point, I'm only writing about you. I don't care about your theology, and I have no respect for you, either.

Are you trying to underwhelm me with facts?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Secular Societies Fare Better Than Religious Societies
Are Devoutly Religious Congregations More Racist? - Science and Religion Today
Think religion makes society less violent? Think again.

Yes, Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao make me agree--atheist leadership is best!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Millions of us obviously interpret the scriptures differently. But be careful. You will be discussing your opinion of Jesus with Jesus.

Why? Your supposedly infinitely just and infinitely merciful god isn't above a bit of spite?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Let's both not be so self-centered. Would you call the people who currently torture and martyr Christians just for being Christian friends of Christians or their enemies?

You're putting the cart before the horse: first establish that these people exist.

 

[BilliardsBall]

"All persons" are not who you were discussing when you made your demeaning, atheophobic comment. And to my knowledge, you have not called atheists "good" before now.

I don't believe that you are being sincere. I think you are back-peddling after digging yourself into a hole and having been condemned for it from multiple directions.

First, it was about the inferiority of atheists. Then it was about everybody is a sinner - nothing about goodness.

Now, it's both "are both good and evil."

You've made it clear that you find atheists morally defective. That's not going away.

It's also not credible that you love people that you conceive in those terms

Furthermore, it's irrelevant whether you are a Jew or not. The bigotry should be apparent to you with "Jew" substituted for "unbeliever" whoever you are.

Do you not find the scriptures with the substitutions hateful, damaging, and irrational? If so, you have the ability to see that it is just as destructive and unjustified when applied to atheists, and you have a choice to exercise some insight and correct your error, or cling to your bigoted ideas.

If you don't even find the anti-Semitic variation bigoted, then we have no basis for discussion. We're too far apart to relate to one another.

Let me help, then:

1. All people are sinners.

2. Atheists tend to be particularly degenerate sinners. After all, you disobey most of the ten commandments and etc.

3. We have a great basis for discussion. You think all religions are wrong, I think most religions are wrong. We're quite close, you and I.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You have no idea what I've done.

There is nothing that you can do that atheists cannot do with the possible exception of believing in gods.

And you don't seem like the kind of person that I should take life advice from. You're not performing very well here.

Why love enemies? That's absurd. I've already explained to you that the best they should hope for is that others will abandon them without retaliation and in a state of indifference, that is, wash your hands of them and move on without lingering anger or resentment

Nothing more is owed.

And what is all this "enemy" stuff? How many have you had? Two people have behaved like enemies in my entire adult life. I have no respect or affection for either, and sought no revenge with either.

What exactly are you suggesting one do differently when you say to love them? What is "love" to you in this context?

By taking a stand for Christ in the workplace and in academics, I've been mistreated and persecuted. I've been assaulted for preaching the gospel, and threatened with violence more than once.

I love those who assault me and care for them. Let's not overcomplicate things here. My remarks point to the fact that YOU are a spiritual person. Denial doesn't change your spiritual nature. Be in tune with God!

 

[Curious George]

How have you loved your enemy?

By showing them compassion, kindness and understanding.

 

[BilliardsBall]

The last shameful thing I did was in college, and I have recognized my mistake since then and apologized to her. I wanted to escape from a relationship and did so badly.

My only other mistake like that was in elementary school, and I have found her on Facebook and apologized to her. She was a severely hearing impaired girl, and we ridiculed her for her deaf speech. I do regret that, and am grateful to have had the chance to have told her that my behavior has bothered me ever since I realized its inappropriateness.

You may do horrid things, but I don't - not since my youth.

Thanks for the admission. For a moment there, I thought you were ready to enter Heaven without transformation.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I listed that. It's pure hate speech.



Loving enemies is foolish. I reject the idea of loving enemies. They should be abandoned. You've never offered a counterargument to that. You just mindlessly repeat ideas you can't and don't even try to defend.

On what basis do you believe hate speech is wrong? I thought sticks and stones break bones? What free speech do you fear?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

By taking a stand for Christ in the workplace and in academics, I've been mistreated and persecuted. I've been assaulted for preaching the gospel, and threatened with violence more than once.

Specifics, please.

When you say that you've been "mistreated and persecuted" for "taking a stand for Christ in the workplace and in academics," I get the impression of a god-botherer who feels hard done by because he was told to behave professionally and not use his coworkers or classmates as an unwilling mission field.

 

[ArtieE]

Yes, Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao make me agree--atheist leadership is best!

You can take that up with God at a later date. He's the one who put them in place.

"New Living Translation
Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God."
Romans 13:1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Why? Your supposedly infinitely just and infinitely merciful god isn't above a bit of spite?

"You can say whatever you want about me," Jesus said, "But you cannot be forgiven if you reject God when you are called."