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Just curious...why don't

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Why don't you guys debate about the existence and nature of god(s) of other religions that aren't the god of Abraham?

I find the Hindu, Pagan, and other religious god(s) a lot more worth discussing the nature. I know a lot of people don't question or think about the nature of their god(s), but then they do the Abrahamic god... if god is god, why question the nature of one god and not your own?

Just thought it would be nice to discuss other god(s) once in awhile. Doesn't have to be a debate; but, if there were one, that would be unique since I haven't seen that done on RF. Doesn't matter if it's important to you or not. (Obvious that the GOA seems to have importance to some extent). Just thinking why the god of Abraham?
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Because everyone is believing their god is the true god, so why would they question their own god, I myself don't believe that any religion has god, or knows what god is, they only can conceptualized god, when in truth they are ignorant of what God truly is.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Because everyone is believing their god is the true god, so why would they question their own god, I myself don't believe that any religion has god, or knows what god is, they only can conceptualized god, when in truth they are ignorant of what God truly is.

We can discuss the nature of god(s) without seeing questioning and discussion as trying to prove their existence. However, this is more for people who don't believe in the god of Abraham and have more interest in debating him without really thinking of debating or discussing the nature of other god(s) which, in my opinion, are much more interesting to learn from. I mean, I don't believe in the Hindu god(s) but I'm sure the conversation about the nature of the gods as we do GOA would lend a good civil (hopefully) debate. Even if the believers feel its unimportant and want to separate themselves from GOA believers; but, that's not really the point.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
We can discuss the nature of god(s) without seeing questioning and discussion as trying to prove their existence. However, this is more for people who don't believe in the god of Abraham and have more interest in debating him without really thinking of debating or discussing the nature of other god(s) which, in my opinion, are much more interesting to learn from. I mean, I don't believe in the Hindu god(s) but I'm sure the conversation about the nature of the gods as we do GOA would lend a good civil (hopefully) debate. Even if the believers feel its unimportant and want to separate themselves from GOA believers; but, that's not really the point.
You say you don't believe in the Hindu god's, it doesn't really matter what god you believe in, you can never prove that god, that god is only your own perception of what you believe god to be, and so in truth there are billions of god's, everyone believing in their own concept of god.
 

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
It's the same debate either way, so what's the point?
If we're going to debate morals, there might be something to talk about.
But, as far as god(s) go/es, I'm absolutely disinterested.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
You say you don't believe in the Hindu god's, it doesn't really matter what god you believe in, you can never prove that god, that god is only your own perception of what you believe god to be, and so in truth there are billions of god's, everyone believing in their own concept of god.

My OP point was I was curious of why don't we talk about the nature of other god(s) rather than just the god of Abraham. For example, I am more interested in learning the nature of the Hindu god(s), their existence, etc (regardless of what I believe) than the god of Abraham.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
It's the same debate either way, so what's the point?
If we're going to debate morals, there might be something to talk about.
But, as far as god(s) go/es, I'm absolutely disinterested.

Everyone sees and defines god(s) differently (not all supernatural and they do not all mirror the god of Abraham, for example). For example, no one can prove the god I believe is wrong nor can they say it's an figment of my imagination. I just don't use the term since I don't have worship in my practice.

But then I'm interested in learning about god(s), culture, and just how people believe and how they see reality, community, etc. Studying human nature without the bias involved.
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
I don't believe in the Hindu god(s)
Why not? I accept the existence of any deity for which there is reasonable evidence: i.e. a large community which has existed for many years and which includes people who have experienced that divinity.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Why not? I accept the existence of any deity for which there is reasonable evidence: i.e. a large community which has existed for many years and which includes people who have experienced that divinity.

Im an, how do RFians call it, a "hard core" atheist. I know no gods exist; and, as someone who knows Buddhist morals are true, the concept and perception of gods originate in our minds. I dont base this off of lack of evidence because we can't always know what is true for others since we cannot delve but only so much into a person' Belief without them feeling uncomfortable or defensive on questioning them for genuious reasons.

I feel if we know more about the human psyche, how it plays into our belief system (rather than fact system), culture, and tradition, we'd understand the existence of god(s) are from us.

It's hard for some to see because they feel since their experiences are external, it must come from an external source. If someone yells at me, I feel internal reaction. Hence why the connection. If it
s from my psyche, if I talk myself into depression, I can still create an internal feeling positive (affirmations) or negative self-talk.

It's not bad just its so personal why wouldnt we think what comes from us is external? I dont know how Hindu externalize their god(s) compared to the god of abraham.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Why don't you guys debate about the existence and nature of god(s) of other religions that aren't the god of Abraham?

I find the Hindu, Pagan, and other religious god(s) a lot more worth discussing the nature. I know a lot of people don't question or think about the nature of their god(s), but then they do the Abrahamic god... if god is god, why question the nature of one god and not your own?
Guessing, I would say that the majority of RF atheists are from the West, and so the god image that is taken literally, that is easily deposed, is the main image to argue against.

Just thought it would be nice to discuss other god(s) once in awhile. Doesn't have to be a debate; but, if there were one, that would be unique since I haven't seen that done on RF. Doesn't matter if it's important to you or not. (Obvious that the GOA seems to have importance to some extent). Just thinking why the god of Abraham?
I work in the Government of Alberta (GOA) so it sounds weird you mentioning that. :)

There used to be lots of discussion of other gods when I arrived on the forums, which is part of why I came here. I'd wish for atheists to address more, too.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Why don't you guys debate about the existence and nature of god(s) of other religions that aren't the god of Abraham?

I find the Hindu, Pagan, and other religious god(s) a lot more worth discussing the nature. I know a lot of people don't question or think about the nature of their god(s), but then they do the Abrahamic god... if god is god, why question the nature of one god and not your own?

Just thought it would be nice to discuss other god(s) once in awhile. Doesn't have to be a debate; but, if there were one, that would be unique since I haven't seen that done on RF. Doesn't matter if it's important to you or not. (Obvious that the GOA seems to have importance to some extent). Just thinking why the god of Abraham?

Not sure what you mean by "gods".

Any thing or any being -real or not -can be worshiped or obeyed as a god.

The God of Abraham, etc., is called the "one" and "true" God -the one by who all things consist -and anything less or other could not possibly be "God" -but may be worshiped or obeyed as a god (though it is against the first commandment).

Though it is somewhat natural for the descendants of Abraham to believe similarly -and some believe simply because they were taught to believe -I have personally done much research and have had experiences which cause me to believe as I do.
Such have shown the reality of God (specifically, the biblical God) -whereas I have no reason to believe other gods exist or should be worshiped.

True religion in the bible is defined as visiting widows and the fatherless in their affliction, and keeping one's self un-spotted from the world (by keeping the commandments -and any statutes and judgments of God which may apply).

Losing focus on such gives opportunity for confusion, deception and manipulation -which exist in the spirit realm just as in the physical realm.

The general idea is that if you follow or obey a god, you end up where that god is able to lead you or chooses to lead you.
As "God" exists and is able to grant eternal life -and commands only that which will lead to eternal life without conflict (though it does not seem so at times, as the situation is already confused and must be corrected) -only God should be obeyed.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Not sure what you mean by "gods".

Any thing or any being -real or not -can be worshiped or obeyed as a god.

The God of Abraham, etc., is called the "one" and "true" God -the one by who all things consist -and anything less or other could not possibly be "God" -but may be worshiped or obeyed as a god (though it is against the first commandment).

Though it is somewhat natural for the descendants of Abraham to believe similarly -and some believe simply because they were taught to believe -I have personally done much research and have had experiences which cause me to believe as I do.
Such have shown the reality of God (specifically, the biblical God) -whereas I have no reason to believe other gods exist or should be worshiped.

True religion in the bible is defined as visiting widows and the fatherless in their affliction, and keeping one's self un-spotted from the world (by keeping the commandments -and any statutes and judgments of God which may apply).

Losing focus on such gives opportunity for confusion, deception and manipulation -which exist in the spirit realm just as in the physical realm.

The general idea is that if you follow or obey a god, you end up where that god is able to lead you or chooses to lead you.
As "God" exists and is able to grant eternal life -and commands only that which will lead to eternal life without conflict (though it does not seem so at times, as the situation is already confused and must be corrected) -only God should be obeyed.

I respect that. By gods, I mean, just as the god you believe in as an entity or however defined, people of other religious as I have seen some Pagans refer to their god(s) as literal (hard polytheists) are no different than biblical believers in that regard. I don't see many if any question and ask the nature of their gods, nor Hindu, nor Buddhist for that matter.

For example, god as an entity and deity has no place in what I believe. I haven't been taught about god but influenced by outside environment that belief in the biblical god is somehow is all that matters. People will fuss over homosexuality being a sin to god and science. Whereas, you have many people of other faiths who were ex-christians try to separate their view of their gods from Abrahamic believers; so, asking the nature of their god(s) becomes so broad that it's hard to even discuss it.

I think the only people that kind of have a strong belief in actual deities other than the biblical ones on RF are Hindus and Pagans. But even then, there is a fluctuation of believing in Hinduism but not in deities while some Pagans believe in deities but not as literal entities. Then you have some that just say god is an object or person one worships. Others say their gods are everything (not god is everything). While god, to me, is just life; and worship has no place in how I live within god (life) rather than for god. So, the world becomes my scripture and books sacred or not become commentary. They tell me about life, people's cultures, and things of that nature. But to single one out out of so many is, well, just not my thing.

It's interesting to talk about the god of abraham, I just find people probably have a broader way of looking at god(s) and deities just like god of abraham if they look into the nature of other god(s) especially individuals who are hard polytheists or monotheists of another religion. Even just asking people like myself and many indigenous people who actually believe in spirits and ancestors would lend a good conversation but I haven't seen anyone else here that actually talk about their ancestors as a core tenant of their faith.

So, it's just left to curiosity. Don't know if it will happen.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Guessing, I would say that the majority of RF atheists are from the West, and so the god image that is taken literally, that is easily deposed, is the main image to argue against.

Eh. I wonder if some of us in the West get kind of tired of asking about the same god and find some interest in god(s) they haven't explored before. In some cases, I don't think debate questions are meant to learn from people but, well, to find debate. Which, debate, doesn't always have to be fussing about the differences in each others beliefs and proving each other true or false. Debate is more presenting an argument and supporting it with facts; but, if we do so to learn about other god(s), we might find ways to challenge other believers on what they think not just believers of abraham. (I know, run-on)

I work in the Government of Alberta (GOA) so it sounds weird you mentioning that

Haha. Weird. Go figure, huh.

There used to be lots of discussion of other gods when I arrived on the forums, which is part of why I came here. I'd wish for atheists to address more, too.

Yeah. Kind of came in late on that one. I posed some questions about other god(s) but most of the time it's either "I don't question my god(s) or it's irrelevant" or something so broad that I don't even know if I'd call it an entity or deity.
 

Peter26

New Member
Carlita I think that the reason most people talk about the Abrahamic God is because he is the most compelling, beautiful and defensible view of God. Look at the mountains of literature that exists in those three areas for the Christian God.

Most other gods are hardly even defensible. The literature that exists to defend other gods pales in comparison in regards to quantity and quality.

Not only that answering this as a Christian, according to our understanding all have Gods image and are therefore captivated by him in differing degrees. So to see many inquiring about him only confirms what is already taught.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
I respect that. By gods, I mean, just as the god you believe in as an entity or however defined, people of other religious as I have seen some Pagans refer to their god(s) as literal (hard polytheists) are no different than biblical believers in that regard. I don't see many if any question and ask the nature of their gods, nor Hindu, nor Buddhist for that matter.

For example, god as an entity and deity has no place in what I believe. I haven't been taught about god but influenced by outside environment that belief in the biblical god is somehow is all that matters. People will fuss over homosexuality being a sin to god and science. Whereas, you have many people of other faiths who were ex-christians try to separate their view of their gods from Abrahamic believers; so, asking the nature of their god(s) becomes so broad that it's hard to even discuss it.

I think the only people that kind of have a strong belief in actual deities other than the biblical ones on RF are Hindus and Pagans. But even then, there is a fluctuation of believing in Hinduism but not in deities while some Pagans believe in deities but not as literal entities. Then you have some that just say god is an object or person one worships. Others say their gods are everything (not god is everything). While god, to me, is just life; and worship has no place in how I live within god (life) rather than for god. So, the world becomes my scripture and books sacred or not become commentary. They tell me about life, people's cultures, and things of that nature. But to single one out out of so many is, well, just not my thing.

It's interesting to talk about the god of abraham, I just find people probably have a broader way of looking at god(s) and deities just like god of abraham if they look into the nature of other god(s) especially individuals who are hard polytheists or monotheists of another religion. Even just asking people like myself and many indigenous people who actually believe in spirits and ancestors would lend a good conversation but I haven't seen anyone else here that actually talk about their ancestors as a core tenant of their faith.

So, it's just left to curiosity. Don't know if it will happen.
Even in the bible it says that the things of God are apparent in what was made.
There is much useful knowledge in many other books, but I have found that the bible gives good reason for our present state, and the plan outlined in it answers every problem mankind faces.
It makes absolutely perfect sense, so I have no reason to seek elsewhere for what I have already found.
Unfortunately, many are taught about the bible rather than actually reading it.

Though I may not believe as other people or cultures do, I love learning about them or experiencing them.
It is better than finding new landscapes, flowers, trees, etc. because people are so much more profound and interesting.
One of the best things about the plan in the bible is that it includes all who have ever lived (at least since Adam) -and they will all be given an opportunity to live forever without conflict or fear of those who are different.

Furthermore, the God of the bible purposes to literally make us all gods (if willing) -though acknowledging necessary government and authority. Not only does God make the promise, but details how it will be accomplished.

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Rom 8:18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21thath the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
 
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Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
You say you don't believe in the Hindu god's, it doesn't really matter what god you believe in, you can never prove that god, that god is only your own perception of what you believe god to be, and so in truth there are billions of god's, everyone believing in their own concept of god.

The underlying question there is whether there is actually a god, since all believers can do is have individual concepts and nothing to validate the concepts. But that is not where the OP wants this discussion to go. I think the idea is to compare everybody's concepts. Quite a nebulous undertaking.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
The underlying question there is whether there is actually a god, since all believers can do is have individual concepts and nothing to validate the concepts. But that is not where the OP wants this discussion to go. I think the idea is to compare everybody's concepts. Quite a nebulous undertaking.
It certainty, especially when there are billions of concepts, and comparing what ?, a concept.
 
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