Just curious...why don't

[Etritonakin]

I guess I'm talking more on RF. In person it's extremely hard unless that person (like almost everyone where I live) make their belief a part of their everyday language.

Yeah. I try to avoid it at places, say, at work. My co-worker is a hardstone Christian and I can't get by two sentences without her mentioning god or Christ in it. It's genuine; but, say, if I ask her advice, she'd revert to the Bible and give me an example of what an apostle said or messenger etc. Unfortunately, it doesn't help with situations like asking what classes I should take next semester. It works for her, so...

It's like that with most people here. So beliefs aren't separate. When you ask someone about who they are where I live, you are asking them their faith rather than favorite color type of thing. I learned its best to be specific.

Yes, most definitely. They are alive and mostly communicate through my grandmothers as I don't know too much about family outside of what my family living today tells me. When they talk to me directly, I usually say thank you. I'm finding ways to communicate with them more. It's a growing process. It feels off when it's just a one way communication.


I've never really understood that other than physical death and our body turns to ashes. Why would one want to resurrect the body when we are spirit?

Though some will be temporarily resurrected as flesh while preparing to become spirits, they will eventually be changed into a spirit.
More correctly, the "person" is separated from the physical body and later put into a new body which is more powerful (allows for greater creative acts) and not subject to death. That body will allow us to travel and create throughout the universe.

A body is that by which we sense and experience our surroundings -and interact with our environment. The spirit body will not have the same limitations.

The purpose for being as asleep after death is really a matter of logistics/organization.

We each live long enough on earth to gain basic experience and understanding -then we die and sleep while others do the same.
That allows for many beings to be produced over time in a manageable and controlled environment while recycling local resources.
Our present bodies essentially tie us to the earth while we gain basic experience, and become responsible and trustworthy.
Our individual spirit or "person" is then stored while our collective experience is accomplished -which is self-rule leading to self-destruction (if not prevented just before it happens) -leading in turn to the realization that we need government by God -and absolute proof that we do.
Then God and Christ will begin to govern men directly -and those who have been prepared will be the government under God and Christ -being resurrected as immortal spirits -who will serve all others, as God's government will be different than that of man.
Earth will continue to produce humans who will eventually become spirits -and there will be no end to the increase of that government -which will increase as the universe is inhabited.
After a thousand years, all of the dead from this time will be resurrected and prepared to become immortal under that government -if they accept it.

 

[Willamena]

Actually, there're not. If you attack my belief, you are attacking who I am as a person and all my family and souls who make up who I am. My beliefs are me. I dont know why some of us talk about them as if they are separate. If you take up a belief system, that "system" would be engraved in you. Its how you interpret reality.

Its who you are not what you believe.

So if a person insults christ they insult he christian. Likewize, god, and multiple other beliefs that make up a persons identity not a system they take up.

That's one way of looking at it. Another way is that what we essentially are transcends spurious and transitory objects such as ideas and beliefs, which can only approximate the world in any given moment.

But to each their own.

 

[Etritonakin]

I guess I'm talking more on RF. In person it's extremely hard unless that person (like almost everyone where I live) make their belief a part of their everyday language.

Yeah. I try to avoid it at places, say, at work. My co-worker is a hardstone Christian and I can't get by two sentences without her mentioning god or Christ in it. It's genuine; but, say, if I ask her advice, she'd revert to the Bible and give me an example of what an apostle said or messenger etc. Unfortunately, it doesn't help with situations like asking what classes I should take next semester. It works for her, so...

It's like that with most people here. So beliefs aren't separate. When you ask someone about who they are where I live, you are asking them their faith rather than favorite color type of thing. I learned its best to be specific.

Yes, most definitely. They are alive and mostly communicate through my grandmothers as I don't know too much about family outside of what my family living today tells me. When they talk to me directly, I usually say thank you. I'm finding ways to communicate with them more. It's a growing process. It feels off when it's just a one way communication.


I've never really understood that other than physical death and our body turns to ashes. Why would one want to resurrect the body when we are spirit?

What do you believe about life after death? Do you believe you will be with your ancestors and communicating with people in this life? What sort of place do you believe you will inhabit and what else do you believe you will do there?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What do you believe about life after death?

I believe when we pass away, we are still on earth guiding our family and those who need guidance. Our ancestors of kin, humanity, history, land, and religion.

Do you believe you will be with your ancestors and communicating with people in this life?

Yes.

What sort of place do you believe you will inhabit and what else do you believe you will do there?

I'd be on earth. Other than helping family and people in general? I never thought about it. I don't know what there is else to do. I mean, in this life I really have high emphasis on family and really wish my family would come together and support everyone. I can't imagine a person who doesn't want to be with their family even after they die. They probably have a heavy grudge. Some traditions do ancestral healing for those matters. Something I'd probably look into as my own practice.

 

[Ana.J]

Why don't you guys debate about the existence and nature of god(s) of other religions that aren't the god of Abraham?

I find the Hindu, Pagan, and other religious god(s) a lot more worth discussing the nature. I know a lot of people don't question or think about the nature of their god(s), but then they do the Abrahamic god... if god is god, why question the nature of one god and not your own?

Just thought it would be nice to discuss other god(s) once in awhile. Doesn't have to be a debate; but, if there were one, that would be unique since I haven't seen that done on RF. Doesn't matter if it's important to you or not. (Obvious that the GOA seems to have importance to some extent). Just thinking why the god of Abraham?

Sure all religions are worth discussing....It is just people are afraid they will change their mind and the castle in the air will vanish.....

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sure all religions are worth discussing....It is just people are afraid they will change their mind and the castle in the air will vanish.....

I guess if they are strong in faith, that shouldnt happen unless their faith prevents them to talk about anything outside their beliefs.

 

[Gyrannon]

Think of this:
What if Norse & Greek Gods were the primaries in the world instead of Christianity & Muslim?

Things would be quite different considering that Norse have to die in combat to enter Valhalla (And honestly, even Jihadists could be welcome considering).
The Greek Gods though might be a bit different, everybody regardless of deeds or actions go to the underworld where Hades is. The only part of it that could be considered "Hell" is if you have no coin for Charon and are forced to swim the River Styx (where you'd lose yourself). The whole point of the Greek one at least, regardless of what you've done & if you can get ferried by Charon, at the end you find Peace.

Which ones do you think you'd be more inclined to follow?

 

[Peter26]

I am not one to say my belief is everyone else's. I wasn't raised that way. Honestly, and bluntly, I know my beliefs are facts. So my experiences and other people's experiences and general knowledge of life leads me to not only believe ancestral spirits are embedded in me but to actually get to know them. To build a relationship and have them in my life and, through them, guidance. It's objective. Who can say they are not part of their biological mother's blood? Who can say that their memories and feelings about their loved one just disappeared in the mist? Just some of us the feeling is beyond just feelings and memories. We actually have physical experiences that confirm these feelings. Whether other people believe it or not, it's not my place to judge. Though, it being a fact in and of itself justifies what I know is true rather than what I believe.

I don't understand what you mean by this: "mutually exclusive and contradictory subjective revelations" can you rephrase?

Carlita when you say you know these things why is this not just your mere opinion? What objective public evidence do you have to believe these things are true? Are there multiple gods? Do they control the world, did they create the world, are they eternal? Do they only speak truth?

Also what would you say if another person said they had revelations from their gods and their gods said your gods are lying. How do you determine which is true?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Morning from the US East Coast.

Carlita when you say you know these things why is this not just your mere opinion?

It's like typing on this computer. I believe I'm typing on this computer because I can see the blocks of letters as I type. This could be my opinion; but, when someone else replies, it is confirmed as not only my belief (or opinion?) but a fact.

Same as my religious experiences. I believe that my ancestral spirits are a part of me because when I pray (or, say, type on the keyboard to compare), I can feel the spirits sometimes when I do. This could be my opinion; but, when I know my mother, real estate lady, father, and grandmother have seen them and we talk about them, it becomes more than opinion. Then when you have spirits push you physical from out of the street, then you don't question it anymore.

If we cannot see what we experience and cannot test it, why do we consider it fake or our opinion? Anything that happens in reality exists and when we experience it we know its true not a figment of our imagination. That knowledge is fact. So, I don't understand why people use the word beliefs. I have beliefs and I have facts. They go together.

Why "mere"? Opinions are just as important as facts.

What objective public evidence do you have to believe these things are true? Are there multiple gods?

Objective evidence? Like things you can see with your five senses?

Spirituality doesn't work that way. It could be all psychological. That doesn't mean it is not fact; it means the origin is not physical. However, when you actually experience stuff like spirits physically, then your perspective of opinions change.

The only evidence I can think of, psychology wise, is "not the only one" with the same experience. Sociology, I think it's called. Another? More than one person experienced it. I didn't imagine it.

I don't consider spirits as gods. Spirits are souls of the deceased and nature. I don't understand a spirit who had no body or was not a plant or something.

Do they control the world, did they create the world, are they eternal? Do they only speak truth?

No. They aren't god (as defined by god of Abraham and anything like that). They are family, and everyone's family. They are part of our history, land, and kin. They are the spirits in nature that keep us alive. They're everywhere.

Do they speak the True? I haven't had them lie before. I guess they could lie to me and to others who experienced them. Truth as in purpose of life? No. They guide us.

Also what would you say if another person said they had revelations from their gods and their gods said your gods are lying. How do you determine which is true?

I'd have to consider the spirits gods. That's hard to do because souls of the decease actually lived and nature actually grows and has their personality without our help. Their not people of worship as well.

I'd ask who their gods are and the nature of their gods. If their gods are not spirits of the deceased, what they say sounds like a claim. I would give them an example of a umbrella on my table. There isn't one. They have a revelation that there is. I can't prove that they are lying to themselves; but, objectively, I can prove their is no umbrella on the table. Spirits were people. When we die physically, we still help our family etc. If spirits were fake, there'd be no origin for them to come from. I guess they'd just be floating in mid-air? I never understood that. That's like saying a baby grew without the mother and father being the one who held conceived him or her.

 

[Peter26]

Morning from the US East Coast.


It's like typing on this computer. I believe I'm typing on this computer because I can see the blocks of letters as I type. This could be my opinion; but, when someone else replies, it is confirmed as not only my belief (or opinion?) but a fact.

This is assuming the thing you are trying to prove. If you merely believe and trust your senses for no good reason that is irrational. As a Christian, we start with God telling us our senses are designed to be sufficiently reliable and so we are not irrational we have good reasons to believe this. But if according to you the world came about randomly you have even less reason to trust those senses which came from the irrational void. But if you accept the Christian view you cannot take what you want and remove what you don't, otherwise you aren't taking the Christian view.

Morning from the US East Coast.

Same as my religious experiences. I believe that my ancestral spirits are a part of me because when I pray (or, say, type on the keyboard to compare), I can feel the spirits sometimes when I do. This could be my opinion; but, when I know my mother, real estate lady, father, and grandmother have seen them and we talk about them, it becomes more than opinion. Then when you have spirits push you physical from out of the street, then you don't question it anymore.


If we cannot see what we experience and cannot test it, why do we consider it fake or our opinion? Anything that happens in reality exists and when we experience it we know its true not a figment of our imagination. That knowledge is fact. So, I don't understand why people use the word beliefs. I have beliefs and I have facts. They go together.

Why "mere"? Opinions are just as important as facts.

As a Christian I believe in these kinds of spirits but some may be demons as well who are pretending. I am not saying if we cannot see it then it's not true.

The question is how do you know it is true and that your interpreting of reality is correct. If you are irrational In trusting your senses according to your own view then your view is irrational and cannot be true insofar as reality is rational. On Christianity you have a coherent view of the world which is not possible for your view.

Morning from the US East Coast.

Objective evidence? Like things you can see with your five senses?

Spirituality doesn't work that way. It could be all psychological. That doesn't mean it is not fact; it means the origin is not physical. However, when you actually experience stuff like spirits physically, then your perspective of opinions change.

The only evidence I can think of, psychology wise, is "not the only one" with the same experience. Sociology, I think it's called. Another? More than one person experienced it. I didn't imagine it.

I don't consider spirits as gods. Spirits are souls of the deceased and nature. I don't understand a spirit who had no body or was not a plant or something.

Invisible entities are not a problem for a Christian view.

Morning from the US East Coast.

No. They aren't god (as defined by god of Abraham and anything like that). They are family, and everyone's family. They are part of our history, land, and kin. They are the spirits in nature that keep us alive. They're everywhere.

Do they speak the True? I haven't had them lie before. I guess they could lie to me and to others who experienced them. Truth as in purpose of life? No. They guide us.

I'd have to consider the spirits gods. That's hard to do because souls of the decease actually lived and nature actually grows and has their personality without our help. Their not people of worship as well.

Well do you believe in God or gods or no god or agnostic? How did everything get here? Where did it come from, or is it eternal? Is the universe moral? Who humans have dignity? Is the world controlled or run by fate or by chance?

If the Spirits are just humans from another world then they can't offer you much hope in giving you truth. They can lie to you or be just as limited in knowledge as you. You have no absolute arthority to give you a word of confidence. Spirits change and minds change it is all changing and unreliable.

Even if these spirits are real and speaking truth that does not contradict the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But God says not to do divination Isa 8:19-20.

Morning from the US East Coast.

I'd ask who their gods are and the nature of their gods. If their gods are not spirits of the deceased, what they say sounds like a claim. I would give them an example of a umbrella on my table. There isn't one. They have a revelation that there is. I can't prove that they are lying to themselves; but, objectively, I can prove their is no umbrella on the table. Spirits were people. When we die physically, we still help our family etc. If spirits were fake, there'd be no origin for them to come from. I guess they'd just be floating in mid-air? I never understood that. That's like saying a baby grew without the mother and father being the one who held conceived him or her.

The disagreement is at a much more fundamental level than if there is an umbrella on the table. The disagreement is at the level of basic reality. They claim that Rah is their God and Rah told them you were wrong. If we are allowed to have private revelations in secret and then claim them as truth on all without any public objective activity and revelation then you cannot deny the next person who claims the same. They can use the same argument you use and if what they say is true which contradicts you then you are admitting two opposing contradictory truths as valid. So much for logic then.

On Christianity God has been active since the Garden, publicly working in word and visiting humanity. Coming near and giving miracles and words open and available to all since the beginning. He has closest in his Son Jesus Christ to rescue us from sin. Praise him.

 

[Aupmanyav]

As a Christian, we start with God telling us .. but some may be demons as well who are pretending. On Christianity you have a coherent view of the world which is not possible for your view. .. How did everything get here? Where did it come from, or is it eternal? .. If we are allowed to have private revelations in secret and then claim them as truth on all without any public objective activity and revelation then you cannot deny the next person who claims the same.

God told you something? When? And you believe demons exist? Do they have horns? Protuding teeth? If you believe God has told you something and that demons exist, then at least some of your senses are not functioning well. You think the six-day or six period creation (whatever you think it to be) is coherant? And that God created Adam and from his ribs Eve to start the human species? You know where all things came from or that they were eternal? In that case, IMHO, you deserve a Nobel prize along with the prize money of 10 million Swedish kronor ($1.5 million, 1.0 million euros), because I have not heard of any other person who knows that. Who was the next person? Jesus?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I picked this a part so I can read it better not to be rude or anything.

a. This is assuming the thing you are trying to prove. If you merely believe and trust your senses for no good reason that is irrational.

b. As a Christian, we start with God telling us our senses are designed to be sufficiently reliable and so we are not irrational we have good reasons to believe this.

c. But if according to you the world came about randomly you have even less reason to trust those senses which came from the irrational void.

But if you accept the Christian view you cannot take what you want and remove what you don't, otherwise you aren't taking the Christian view.

a. The computer example isn't relying on only my senses. There is a conglomerate of things that "prove", if one likes, this computer and the person (or robot? no pun-making a point) behind this computer is real. It is the same with my religion. It is not separate from reality and the real world. There is no faith involved.

b. I do not believe in god. Rather, when we are in communion with everything-our ancestors, family, friends, environment, life in general these things tell us that our senses are reliable when we confirm them by our relationship with them as well. It's a community not a hierarchy. Our senses or our lives are based on each other. We can believe in god, gods, spirits, ancestors, all we want; but, at the end, we depend on each other and we all have the same brain and same psychological means to understand spirituality and all in it. As such, what you're saying may be different language, motive, and experiences. However, we are not aliens to each other. Our senses come from somewhere or someone (whatever one believes). We can call it a fact of life or a belief. I call it a fact of life.

c. I haven't said we came here randomly. I'm not like most atheist who talk about evolution. That said, yes, everything has a design or pattern. We do things in pattern. Everything forms from one thing to another in patter. Nothing is created out of thin air. Nothing disappears out of thin air. We may not can detect it with our senses and scientific instruments (which science I know nothing about to converse) but it's still there. As a result, having a design and patter and forming doesn't mean there is a creator.

That is what I believe. I have no rational reason to believe otherwise. I also find it irrational to believe a creator is behind something that does not scream in and of itself that it has a creator. That is human beliefs, assumptions, hopes, or whatever you want to call it. Nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean it isn't a fact. It's just not objective. It's a fact to you. That's alright. Just don't tell others they are not rational or their beliefs are not rational because yours disagree with theirs.

As a Christian I believe in these kinds of spirits but some may be demons as well who are pretending. I am not saying if we cannot see it then it's not true.

It could be. I never heard of a demon, experienced one, seen one, or anything to describe what demon would look like other than cartoons and movies.

The question is how do you know it is true and that your interpreting of reality is correct. If you are irrational In trusting your senses according to your own view then your view is irrational and cannot be true insofar as reality is rational. On Christianity you have a coherent view of the world which is not possible for your view.

I could ask you the same thing since god is a belief not a fact. I have literally and physically experienced the spirits. It wasn't a "gut feeling" which they do give you gut feelings if you don't listen. It wasn't an ickling or syncronicity which in many cases can be the spirits (or in your view god) talking to you. I was literally pushed and literally touched by spirits. Call it however you like, but that isn't something I can interpret. That's like you're saying my computer isn't real and I'm typing on it. How can I change that fact? I can believe whatever I want, but a fact is a fact.

Invisible entities are not a problem for a Christian view.

Okay...

Well do you believe in God or gods or no god or agnostic?

I believe god is life: everything. The silver lining that makes God life itself. Not gives us life but IS life.

I am not agnostic. I Know spirits exist. If I called them gods (since they are people I revere and respect to a high degree), then I am a polytheist.

How did everything get here? Where did it come from, or is it eternal?

I never asked the question in my whole life. When I saw that one spirit years ago and as our family tells me stories of their spirit-ual experiences, it just made sense (a realization) that we exist not only on this earth now but after we physically pass. It's like people stay here to guide you and help you out. It's a family. If you don't recognize it, I feel you're missing the boat. How can you believe in one god when there are so many?

Eternal? I never thought about that. Sometimes the spirits talk to me, sometimes they don't. Sometimes I don't experience them for months. Other times, like a couple of weeks ago, three days straight. Depends.

Is the universe moral?

The universe isn't human so no, it isn't moral. The universe (everything, from humans to people in planet Jemapato all are alive and that spark of life IS god.)

I use god for convenience but it's just a spark and spirit of life. There's no person and it's not a noun with morals and such. Spirit meaning breathe, if one likes.

Who humans have dignity?

Is the world controlled or run by fate or by chance?

I don't understand the first question. The second one, no one controls the world. It does it's thing and we call it design or pattern. Without us defining the universe, you can say it's by chance since the universe doesn't think itself into design as humans like. It's psychological. We try to put purpose even just putting anonymous letters together to make a word because our mind is used to bring a pattern out of what we think are random things. They aren't. It is what it is.

If the Spirits are just humans from another world then they can't offer you much hope in giving you truth. They can lie to you or be just as limited in knowledge as you. You have no absolute authority to give you a word of confidence. Spirits change and minds change it is all changing and unreliable.

When we die we all are spirits. They are there to help us and guide us if we call on them to do so. I don't care for the "we're just men" mentality. I trust people on earth why would I not as spirits? In our family, we never separated the two. There isn't anything spiritual in it.

The truth? What do you mean? Spirits don't answer the questions of the universe. They help you do so. Everything is a family thing. They don't answer questions for you. If you want continuous help and support, they your ancestral spirits-kin, land, history, and humanity-are the ones you call. Just as you call Christ, I call the spirits.

"You have no absolute authority to give you a word of confidence. Spirits change and minds change it is all changing and unreliable"

I do have authority and its my relationship with the spirits. They gave me confidence in what I do and how I live my life. Spirits, since they are also souls of the deceased, can change their minds. However, changing is a fact of life. It's a moral of The Buddha which is a fact of life, if you don't accept that things change then anything can surprise you and you would be running to god for help.

I don't do that. I understand things change and have to understand accept things change. The Spirits help me rather than my calling (rather than asking) on them for help.

Even if these spirits are real and speaking truth that does not contradict the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But God says not to do divination Isa 8:19-20.

The Bible holds no authority over me nor many people on earth. You'd have to use a common medium to prove the authenticity of your comment.

Even if Christ's spirit is real and he is telling the truth, that doesn't mean it contradicts the spirits I believe in. I have no book to reference it by but spirits are spirits. Religion has nothing to do with it.

The disagreement is at a much more fundamental level than if there is an umbrella on the table. The disagreement is at the level of basic reality. They claim that Rah is their God and Rah told them you were wrong. If we are allowed to have private revelations in secret and then claim them as truth on all without any public objective activity and revelation then you cannot deny the next person who claims the same. They can use the same argument you use and if what they say is true which contradicts you then you are admitting two opposing contradictory truths as valid. So much for logic then.

I don't know anything about Ra. I just know spirits exist, ancestral spirits exist, they help me, I help them, and we commune together. I don't know how to see reality without the spirits because I don't separate them as something paranormal. I don't need faith because I have physically experienced them. It's something I know. It's not something I read in a mythology book or online. It's not something I read by faith and belief. It's knowledge and fact. Even if I can't explain it in words, that doesn't make it even less true than sprouting hundreds of scriptures that, too, can or cannot prove your argument is true.

On Christianity God has been active since the Garden, publicly working in word and visiting humanity. Coming near and giving miracles and words open and available to all since the beginning. He has closest in his Son Jesus Christ to rescue us from sin. Praise him.

 

[Muffled]

Why don't you guys debate about the existence and nature of god(s) of other religions that aren't the god of Abraham?

I find the Hindu, Pagan, and other religious god(s) a lot more worth discussing the nature. I know a lot of people don't question or think about the nature of their god(s), but then they do the Abrahamic god... if god is god, why question the nature of one god and not your own?

Just thought it would be nice to discuss other god(s) once in awhile. Doesn't have to be a debate; but, if there were one, that would be unique since I haven't seen that done on RF. Doesn't matter if it's important to you or not. (Obvious that the GOA seems to have importance to some extent). Just thinking why the god of Abraham?

I believe the gods are most likely aliens with advanced technology. Krishna is often pictured as a blue skinned person and that definitely is an alien race. I believe most depictions of gods are actually personifications of God's attributes. Idol gods are just wood and stone and man made.

 

[Muffled]

You have to understand that not everyone believes in sin or the need for salvation.

So you would have no problem if someone raped and murdered your daughter? After all it isn't a sin right?

 

[Jainarayan]

So you would have no problem if someone raped and murdered your daughter? After all it isn't a sin right?

Not even a good try. That's criminal law, which has its own punishments. Your God has nothing to do with it.

 

[Muffled]

Not even a good try. That's criminal law, which has its own punishments. Your God has nothing to do with it.

I believe man's laws change. We have seen some rather disturbing court cases lately where the rapist gets off easy.
People of the same sex can marry in this country but that is not the way God believes it should be.

 

[Jainarayan]

I believe man's laws change. We have seen some rather disturbing court cases lately where the rapist gets off easy.
People of the same sex can marry in this country but that is not the way God believes it should be.

Whose God? And where does it say 'God' in any of the laws of the United States? Why should I be subjected to what you believe your God wants? The First Amendment applies to me also.

And why the focus on rape? It's a horrible crime yes, but how about all the Christians who divorce and remarry? Isn't that against God's laws?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Krishna is often pictured as a blue skinned person and that definitely is an alien race.

It is wrong to portray Krishna as having blue skin. His skin color was 'dark like a rain-laden cloud' (Ghana+shyam=Cloud+dark) and not black as he is depicted in some idols. You can term it as dusky or a shade darker, common in India.

 

[1137]

Well, what would you like to debate? I'm sure you could create some thread addressing non monotheists.

 

[Muffled]

Whose God? And where does it say 'God' in any of the laws of the United States? Why should I be subjected to what you believe your God wants? The First Amendment applies to me also.

And why the focus on rape? It's a horrible crime yes, but how about all the Christians who divorce and remarry? Isn't that against God's laws?

I believe there is only one God who is Lord of all.
I believe we have it in our pledge of allegiance "one nation, under God."
As with any ruler a failure to comply carries punishment. If you run a stop sign you will pay a price if you get caught. If you break God's laws you will pay a price now or later and He always knows what you have done.

I believe the only instance of this, that is against God's law is the person who ditches his/her spouse for another person. That is adultery.

It is just an example of how laws change. Things that were illegal twenty years ago are now legal.