Just wonderin'

[Unveiled Artist]

Your masks posts are doubting science. You don't have literally say "I doubt science" to doubt it.I goes the same for doubting we can control the spread.
And I did show you the post of covid transmission.

The only point I remember making was distance is better than masks.

I only have but so much of my brain (no pun) to remember things. Did you show it in this thread 'cause I don't remember threads especially if they are debative in nature.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The only point I remember making was distance is better than masks.

I only have but so much of my brain (no pun) to remember things. Did you show it in this thread 'cause I don't remember threads especially if they are debative in nature.

Heres another post as a reminder. You only need click on the little arrow next to "said" to be brought to the full post.

I don't see harm in people not wearing a mask around others.

So, don't be too surprised if people lump you in with other deniers and doubters. Thats how it happened here.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Heres another post as a reminder. You only need click on the little arrow next to "said" to be brought to the full post.

So, don't be too surprised if people lump you in with other deniers and doubters. Thats how it happened here.

I'm still at a lost. I never said masks where not effective, not wearing them was wrong, or anything like that. I never made fun of people who wore masks, and I never remember agreeing with anyone who doesn't wear one. So, you're loosing me. I can't agree with you on something I have no basis of comparison.

 

[ChristineM]

What conspiracy theory?

I just don't care to bash people I may or may not disagree with. The OP specifically had one question-that was the facts.

I don't read everyone's comments to the OP to know anything other than the original post. You're blaming me for something I'm not even aware of.

So read the other comments before passing judgement

I am not blaming you for anything other than what you have said. Can you not take responsibility for your own posts?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So read the other comments before passing judgement

I am not blaming you for anything other than what you have said. Can you not take responsibility for your own posts?

I didn't mention you in this. I was just sharing my personal opinion about other people who bash people they disagree with. I feel uncomfortable doing that. Whether it's politics on RF, religion, or seeing it in person.

 

[ChristineM]

I didn't mention you in this. I was just sharing my personal opinion about other people who bash people they disagree with. I feel uncomfortable doing that. Whether it's politics on RF, religion, or seeing it in person.

Public thread??? A thread obviously designed to take the **** our of death by coronavirus. People are entitled to express their opinion even if you disagree with it

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Public thread??? A thread obviously designed to take the **** our of death by coronavirus. People are entitled to express their opinion even if you disagree with it

Okay..... people agree or disagree with a lot of things. I usually disagree with negativity; but, not all people are like that.

 

[ChristineM]

Okay..... people agree or disagree with a lot of things. I usually disagree with negativity; but, not all people are like that.

I disagree with people taking the **** out of bereavement

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I disagree with people taking the **** out of bereavement

I've lost many people and I get that (don't dicredit my losses), just don't use me as a pin cushion to your frustration.

 

[ChristineM]

I've lost many people and I get that (don't dicredit my losses), just don't use me as a pin cushion to your frustration.

Oh how silly, you made a statement, i replied, no frustration involved this is nothing to do with ego but your comments on this thread. If you don't want people replying then why post?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm still at a lost. I never said masks where not effective, not wearing them was wrong, or anything like that. I never made fun of people who wore masks, and I never remember agreeing with anyone who doesn't wear one. So, you're loosing me. I can't agree with you on something I have no basis of comparison.

At this moment, not wearing a mask in public is basically the moral equivalent of second hand smoke.
I can bring up more posts to show you why you were lumped in with BSM1 as a covid science doubter.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Oh how silly, you made a statement, i replied, no frustration involved this is nothing to do with ego but your comments on this thread. If you don't want people replying then why post?

taking the **** out

I was referring to this Christine.

I would hope people would reply without attacking me at the same time. I guess it's a forgone conclusion.

If you dislike how people view mask, don't comment against it because you know it will make you upset and then you attack (yes, attack) people that disagree with your point of view.

I never read in RF rules that posting required some sort of negativity and attack involved. Usually we challenge other people's ideas and statements not the people who make them.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

At this moment, not wearing a mask in public is basically the moral equivalent of second hand smoke.
I can bring up more posts to show you why you were lumped in with BSM1 as a covid science doubter.

Please do. Edit. And I never disagree with you about the second hand smoke thing.

It's a "good" example to clarify what you guys are talking about.

I don't know BSM1's position about it, though. Multiple posts in other threads I never said masks where useless, silly, or anything of that nature. The only thing I remember is distance is better than masks. It's better to ask my position rather than assume it and more specifically criticize me for it.

Oh. In this thread specifically, I was just going by the OP. He asked a specific question and people attacked him for "their" perceived intent. I never saw him answer the question of his intent (maybe because it was sarcastic questions in nature), so basically most of you are debating your own assumptions. While I can't choose you guys behaviors and don't know his reaction, I find it inappropriate to lump me in. I don't have to agree with being negative about the situation to agree or disagree with BSM1 or anyone else for that matter.

 

[metis]

Does anyone here personally know of someone who died strictly from the covid 19 virus? Be honest....

Yep, one of my wife's 60 year old cousins.

Also, a close friend that I see at least once a month had it for five weeks and said that he literally wanted to die at one point. He says that if anyone says it's like the flu, they don't know what they're talking about.

One of my three neighbors who also have had it was hospitalized for three weeks and then sent home on oxygen for another two weeks.

One of my closest friends has a daughter who's a nurse at a nearby hospital, and she's in the covid ward, and she won't even talk about what she sees four days a week, even to her own parents.

It's very much real, if that's what you're asking.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Oh how silly, you made a statement, i replied, no frustration involved this is nothing to do with ego but your comments on this thread. If you don't want people replying then why post?

@Shadow Wolf

Here are the points I found in search I was saying about the masks

1. People who can't wear masks (Of course if I were against such thing, this wouldn't bother me)

2. The masked truth.... (Pretty much sums it up. In my situation it's not a huge issue. The asymptomatic thing is pretty odd, though.

3. The masked truth.... (More about the negativity of people who put down people who wear/don't wear masks. I don't have to agree and be negativity to support masks)

4. The masked truth.... (I don't see harm in not wearing masks around others... knowing if the person isn't around other people or isn't symptomatic.)

5. The masked truth.... (The asymptomatic thing)

I can't remember who, but one of you mentioned you go by WHO and not CDC. I post "scientific evidence, if one likes" by both. They don't contradict each other and I never disagreed with them.

Sounds more like you disagree with people in general who disagree with masks and since I'm not against people who don't and buy the negativity, I just happen to be in the crossfire.

 

[columbus]

Does anyone here personally know of someone who died strictly from the covid 19 virus? Be honest....

Almost everyone I know who died strictly from an infectious illness died from HIV.

My partner has a cousin who apparently died from C19, without any serious risk factors, but I didn't know her very well. Does that count?

But that's not really my point here. People like my mother-in-law are really my point. She has high risk factors. In her 70s, copd, diabetes, pretty much everything. But it's all medically manageable. She quit smoking years ago. She's careful about her diet. She takes the meds her doctor recommends. She gets her flu shots. Etc. Etc.

She should have years of life left. No guarantees, but she should.

C19 is different from other health risks. There's no vaccine. There's no medically approved treatment. The best we can do is the low tech methods of slowing the spread, until medical science catches up.

Masks. Purell. Social distancing. Avoiding crowded situations. Washing your hands obsessively.

Yeah. It's inconvenient as hell. But it isn't the end of civilization as we know it.

Tom

P.s. ~I can't help but point out that the USA situation would be less problematic if Trump had exhibited better leadership early on. More foresight, less political partisanship, we'd all be better off now.....~

 

[ChristineM]

I was referring to this Christine.

I would hope people would reply without attacking me at the same time. I guess it's a forgone conclusion.

If you dislike how people view mask, don't comment against it because you know it will make you upset and then you attack (yes, attack) people that disagree with your point of view.

I never read in RF rules that posting required some sort of negativity and attack involved. Usually we challenge other people's ideas and statements not the people who make them.

Since when is disagreeing with anyone attacking them.

Masks are not the subject of this thread, it seems that mocking death is

Sheesh, challenging comments is not a negative attack, it is a challenge to a comment that you made. Show me where i have attacked you.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Since when is disagreeing with anyone attacking them.

Masks are not the subject of this thread, it seems that mocking death is

Sheesh, challenging comments is not a negative attack, it is a challenge to a comment that you made. Show me where i have attacked you.

Attacked meaning discrediting what I say by harsh words against my intelligence etc not calling me names specifically or anything like that. It's the context.

I'm not mocking death specifically; so, not sure how this conversation about masks have anything to do with anything. Why bring it up?

I don't remember bringing masks into the conversation of the OP. I was just defending BSM1 intent of the question because of the negativity he received because of it. He didn't mention masks in his OP so it sound like you guys have some sort of (can't think of a right word) issue over BSM1 and my former posts to bring into this thread.

Then group me with him for some odd reason. I don't care for negativity and I don't jump on the bandwagon with others telling people they should or shouldn't wear masks (since that's been brought up).

Also, I noticed that threads that challenge the opposing view of COVID are deleted, criticized, or whatever. So, it sounds like tolerance for opposing views (whether the person making them agrees with the argument or not) touches a nerve.

I can understand it based on people's personal experiences with death. It just gets out of hand.

In a debate forum, why does bringing up opposing views to sensitive topics need to be taken personally? Not everyone who brings up opposing views need to agree with the arguments they bring up. It's just conversation.

 

[ChristineM]

@Shadow Wolf

Here are the points I found in search I was saying about the masks

1. People who can't wear masks (Of course if I were against such thing, this wouldn't bother me)

2. The masked truth.... (Pretty much sums it up. In my situation it's not a huge issue. The asymptomatic thing is pretty odd, though.

3. The masked truth.... (More about the negativity of people who put down people who wear/don't wear masks. I don't have to agree and be negativity to support masks)

4. The masked truth.... (I don't see harm in not wearing masks around others... knowing if the person isn't around other people or isn't symptomatic.)

5. The masked truth.... (The asymptomatic thing)

I can't remember who, but one of you mentioned you go by WHO and not CDC. I post "scientific evidence, if one likes" by both. They don't contradict each other and I never disagreed with them.

Sounds more like you disagree with people in general who disagree with masks and since I'm not against people who don't and buy the negativity, I just happen to be in the crossfire.

This thread is NOT about masks, stop attempted to railroad the thread

 

[ChristineM]

Attacked meaning discrediting what I say by harsh words against my intelligence etc not calling me names specifically or anything like that. It's the context.

So not attacked but disagreement, fair enough.

I'm not mocking death specifically; so, not sure how this conversation about masks have anything to do with anything. Why bring it up?

I have never said you are, but @BSM1 is and for some reason you are siding with him.

You keep trying to bring masks into it so i have no idea why you are unsure i do not know

Also, I noticed that threads that challenge the opposing view of COVID are deleted,

There is an admin thread about spreading misinformation about covid 19. It was stated at the start of the pandemic that misinformation would be dealt with

can understand it based on people's personal experiences with death. It just gets out of hand.

I cannot see threads on the virus getting out of hand, i do see threads promoting stupidity and ignorance being hit hard

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