Justify creationism over evolutionism

[Autodidact]

You keep implying the strong man argument. :fight:All that Does is add fuel to the fire.

What argument is that?

Are you asking for the ample evidence that caused the entire scientific world to accept the Theory of Evolution? How about this, for starters, do you have any idea what the Theory of Evolution (ToE) is? What it actually says?

 

[Autodidact]

No, no, science is the gift from God, and thereby, the computer is from God.
read my previous post.

OH one more thing: (Jn 12:31) Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. You have less than 25 months to plead to the God you disbelieve and ask for his mercy so that you do not get left behind on judgement day. And the day of judgement is also the battle of Armageddon.
Jesus is Lord of all.

Look Auto, I believe in science as much as you do. <snip incomprehensible and irrelavant drivel>.

O.K., so you accept science and the scientific method? You agree that it works? It's "a gift from God"? For example, you accept Biology, Geology, Astronomy, Cosmology, Paleontology, all those branches of science?

 

[tumbleweed41]

What is this false science you keep harping on?

Numerology.

Everything is based on biblical facts, I thought that I mentioned to you to go to familyradio.com and download the free book, "we are almost there," it is only 70 pages long, Do yourself a favor and read it before you make any hast decisions, them post a comment on it.

From '1994?' by Harold Camping
"In John 21:1–14, we learn that Jesus’ disciples were about 200 cubits out from the Sea of Galilee engaged in their trade as fishermen. On this day the disciples catch 153 fish."
According to Camping the Bible is teaching that the 200 cubits represent about 2,000 years between the first and second comings of Christ. Since Jesus was born, according to Camping, on October 4, 7 B.C., one needs only to add 2,000 years minus one year for the year zero and “presto change-o,” out comes 1994! What about the 153 fish? The number 153 equals 3 times 3 times 17:
“The number three signifies the purpose of God whereas the number seventeen" signifies heaven. Thus we learn that the purpose of God is to bring all believers that are ‘caught’ by the Gospel into heaven.

Numerology and Kabbalah like hermeneutical principles of finding the "hidden" messages are Pseudoscience.

From 'We are Almost There'

"The man-made, historical, grammatical hermeneutic method of Bible interpretation that is held by virtually every church, denomination, seminary, etc., is to be totally rejected. The true Biblical method of Bible interpretation is based on the fact that the Bible teaches that the Bible is a spiritual book written in an earthly way. Because it is written by God, every historical event, and every conversation, and every incident recorded in the Bible is absolutely true and trustworthy. However, because these literal, historical statements also must be understood spiritually, the true ultimate message that God is giving to mankind in the Bible will not be understood until the spiritual teaching of the verse being studied has been found. "

Using the same hermeneutic methods he says "is to be totally rejected"?
Using "man-made" numerology?

From '1994?'
"Likewise, the Bible apparently assures us that there were to be 12,000 years in the duration of the earth. That is, creation occurred 11,000 years (remember 11,000 + 6 years) before Christ [Jesus was born in 7 B.C.]. And Revelation 20:1–3 teaches that Satan was to be bound a thousand years. Since it can be readily shown that Satan was bound at the cross so that Christ would not be frustrated in His program of salvation for the world, the duration of the earth should be 11,000 plus 1000 years for a total of 12,000 years. Moreover, you recall that God told Noah in Genesis 6:3: “Then the LORD said, `My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.’“ While this 120 years could be the 120 years during which Noah constructed the ark, it apparently could also be a reference to the fullness of time for all mankind. The number twelve does signify the fullness of whatever God has in view. Then the 120 years could also signify 1200 12,000 years or 120,000 years for the duration of man’s existence on earth. Given all the other information in the Bible, we know that 12,000 years is the only number that can relate."

BTW, despite what Camping preaches, there was no year zero. 1BC was followed by 1AD. dooohh:foot:

 

[themadhair]

No, no, science is the gift from God, and thereby, the computer is from God.

Curiously enough my computer doesn’t seem to run on god-juice, but rather the harnessing of electricity via Boolean-logic circuits using transistors based upon semi-conductor theory.

I’ll be frank blu, I sometimes feel that any person who spits so freely over science should probably be denied its fruits – which include your computer, medicine, clothing, food, car, everything plastic, etc. etc.

I typed quite a lot of relevant information about what we find in the world around us, particularly concerning geology and palaeontology, and note that you haven’t addressed them at all. If you fear reality blu then that is your problem, and you really should expect to get a heavy dose of criticism for it.

 

[bluZero]

Curiously enough my computer doesn’t seem to run on god-juice, but rather the harnessing of electricity via Boolean-logic circuits using transistors based upon semi-conductor theory.

I’ll be frank blu, I sometimes feel that any person who spits so freely over science should probably be denied its fruits – which include your computer, medicine, clothing, food, car, everything plastic, etc. etc.

I typed quite a lot of relevant information about what we find in the world around us, particularly concerning geology and palaeontology, and note that you haven’t addressed them at all. If you fear reality blu then that is your problem, and you really should expect to get a heavy dose of criticism for it.

Is that why they call you mad! Because you imagine things like I do not appreciate science. So what is it you are trying to provoke me into?

(Heb 3:4) For every house is builded by some [man]; but he that built all things [is] God.:yes::run:

I am pretty busy right now, but I do have something to say about evolution that may be of interest to you. Laater

 

[Autodidact]

blu: You accept Biology, Geology, Astronomy, Cosmology, Paleontology, all those branches of science?

 

[bluZero]

Numerology.



From '1994?' by Harold Camping
"In John 21:1–14, we learn that Jesus’ disciples were about 200 cubits out from the Sea of Galilee engaged in their trade as fishermen. On this day the disciples catch 153 fish."
According to Camping the Bible is teaching that the 200 cubits represent about 2,000 years between the first and second comings of Christ. Since Jesus was born, according to Camping, on October 4, 7 B.C., one needs only to add 2,000 years minus one year for the year zero and “presto change-o,” out comes 1994! What about the 153 fish? The number 153 equals 3 times 3 times 17:
“The number three signifies the purpose of God whereas the number seventeen" signifies heaven. Thus we learn that the purpose of God is to bring all believers that are ‘caught’ by the Gospel into heaven.

Numerology and Kabbalah like hermeneutical principles of finding the "hidden" messages are Pseudoscience.

From 'We are Almost There'

"The man-made, historical, grammatical hermeneutic method of Bible interpretation that is held by virtually every church, denomination, seminary, etc., is to be totally rejected. The true Biblical method of Bible interpretation is based on the fact that the Bible teaches that the Bible is a spiritual book written in an earthly way. Because it is written by God, every historical event, and every conversation, and every incident recorded in the Bible is absolutely true and trustworthy. However, because these literal, historical statements also must be understood spiritually, the true ultimate message that God is giving to mankind in the Bible will not be understood until the spiritual teaching of the verse being studied has been found. "

Using the same hermeneutic methods he says "is to be totally rejected"?
Using "man-made" numerology?

From '1994?'
"Likewise, the Bible apparently assures us that there were to be 12,000 years in the duration of the earth. That is, creation occurred 11,000 years (remember 11,000 + 6 years) before Christ [Jesus was born in 7 B.C.]. And Revelation 20:1–3 teaches that Satan was to be bound a thousand years. Since it can be readily shown that Satan was bound at the cross so that Christ would not be frustrated in His program of salvation for the world, the duration of the earth should be 11,000 plus 1000 years for a total of 12,000 years. Moreover, you recall that God told Noah in Genesis 6:3: “Then the LORD said, `My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.’“ While this 120 years could be the 120 years during which Noah constructed the ark, it apparently could also be a reference to the fullness of time for all mankind. The number twelve does signify the fullness of whatever God has in view. Then the 120 years could also signify 1200 12,000 years or 120,000 years for the duration of man’s existence on earth. Given all the other information in the Bible, we know that 12,000 years is the only number that can relate."

BTW, despite what Camping preaches, there was no year zero. 1BC was followed by 1AD. dooohh:foot:

Is this you figuring or Camping in part. The earth was created according to teacher 1103 B C and when the world ends, it will be 13000+23 years.

Your theory of pseudo science if false. God uses number and numbers are words go back and see the words God use to describe the fist day, H259 ehad, etc.

Churches use only Historical-grammatical, and it leaves them in a situation that makes them still babs, they refuse to grow up. Origen was the one that used the proper hermeneutics back in the early church age, and later on Camping found out that he was in sync with Origen without knowing it, by using proper hermeneutics on his own.

From the cross to 1994 is 2000, But the 153 fish is 5 months which goes from the day of the rapture to the end of the world may 21, 2011 - October 21, 2011

The birth of Christ was October 2, 7 B C, I think that is more correct than the 4th.
I think it is a matter of updating you information from the book "Time has an end." Talk to you later, I got things to do. John:beach:

 

[bluZero]

blu: You accept Biology, Geology, Astronomy, Cosmology, Paleontology, all those branches of science?

YES!, never said i didn't

 

[OmarKhayyam]

YES!, never said i didn't

Then you agree the world is BILLIONS of years old.

 

[painted wolf]

And that evolution is the theory with the most supporting evidence... and is the vital cornerstone of biology, ecology, genetics, medicine and so on.

wa:do

 

[Autodidact]

YES!, never said i didn't

Great. Therefore you agree that the earth is approximately 4.56 billions years old, that life first appeared on it around 3.5 billion years ago, and that all life descended from a single common ancestor from around that time, as well as that there has never been a global flood. Because that's what those sciences tell us.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Is this you figuring or Camping in part. The earth was created according to teacher 1103 B C and when the world ends, it will be 13000+23 years.

Your theory of pseudo science if false. God uses number and numbers are words go back and see the words God use to describe the fist day, H259 ehad, etc.

Theory? What theory? Numerology is a pseudoscience. This is a fact.

Churches use only Historical-grammatical, and it leaves them in a situation that makes them still babs, they refuse to grow up. Origen was the one that used the proper hermeneutics back in the early church age, and later on Camping found out that he was in sync with Origen without knowing it, by using proper hermeneutics on his own.

From the cross to 1994 is 2000, But the 153 fish is 5 months which goes from the day of the rapture to the end of the world may 21, 2011 - October 21, 2011

The birth of Christ was October 2, 7 B C, I think that is more correct than the 4th.
I think it is a matter of updating you information from the book "Time has an end." Talk to you later, I got things to do. John:beach:

From 'Time Has an End'
The word “jubilee” has everything to do with the proclamation of liberty to the world (Leviticus 25:10). That is why “teruah” is properly translated “jubilee” in connection with the day of atonement. Christ is the essence of the atonement, as well as being the essence of the jubilee. Thus, when He was announced on September 26, A.D. 29, by John the Baptist, as we read in John 1:29, “Behold the Lamb of God,” it was a glorious proclamation to the world that Christ was the “jubilee” who came with the Gospel of salvation. "
Not teruah, the Hebrew is taruah, as in Yom Taruah, "the day of great noise", not "jubilee". Ooops Camping used a mistranslation. Wonder where else he messed up.

In 1978, as a part of his Alameda Church, Camping predicted the Tribulation would start "in a few days" and that anyone not saved before then was "doomed to hell."
1978 came and went then his story changed to "It's a spiritual Tribulation and 1985 was the end.
About 1982, Those in the church were told He had to rethink and study. So for a few years he refused to talk about the end until 1992.
In 1992 he predicted the "universe" would end in 1994(? maybe?)
Camping states the "church" has been under Satans control since 1988.....
If the church age ended in 1988 and Satan took his seat in the temple (the corporate church), Harold Camping was still a member of a church until 2001. This means that the origin of his End Times theories (1992) began under Satanic origin and leadership in the Alameda Church, since the Holy Spirit fled and Harold Camping was under the wrath of God at that time. Therefore, since he was under God's wrath and was in a position of leadership in a church for 13 years under the authority of Satan, whatever teaching that was developed, was started by Satan.:devil:

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I have long maintained that belief in this myth dulls the reason, actually blunts the believer’s ability to reason from fact to conclusion.

I have long believed that belief in this reasoning ignores two things: what reason actually is, and the importance of mythology to humanity.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

That's certainly a romantic way of looking at it.

wa:do

That's me.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

The irony that blu used a computer, a product of science, to write that. Everytime a person who puts the bible above science makes a post on the internet is an irony that never ceases to amaze me.

Why? Technology is used all the time to trump the spirit of science. Science is about knowledge and exploration, but for the most part, it seems that technology is used for profit and convenience.

 

[Autodidact]

Theory? What theory? Numerology is a pseudoscience. This is a fact.


From 'Time Has an End'
The word “jubilee” has everything to do with the proclamation of liberty to the world (Leviticus 25:10). That is why “teruah” is properly translated “jubilee” in connection with the day of atonement. Christ is the essence of the atonement, as well as being the essence of the jubilee. Thus, when He was announced on September 26, A.D. 29, by John the Baptist, as we read in John 1:29, “Behold the Lamb of God,” it was a glorious proclamation to the world that Christ was the “jubilee” who came with the Gospel of salvation. "
Not teruah, the Hebrew is taruah, as in Yom Taruah, "the day of great noise", not "jubilee". Ooops Camping used a mistranslation. Wonder where else he messed up.

In 1978, as a part of his Alameda Church, Camping predicted the Tribulation would start "in a few days" and that anyone not saved before then was "doomed to hell."
1978 came and went then his story changed to "It's a spiritual Tribulation and 1985 was the end.
About 1982, Those in the church were told He had to rethink and study. So for a few years he refused to talk about the end until 1992.
In 1992 he predicted the "universe" would end in 1994(? maybe?)
Camping states the "church" has been under Satans control since 1988.....
If the church age ended in 1988 and Satan took his seat in the temple (the corporate church), Harold Camping was still a member of a church until 2001. This means that the origin of his End Times theories (1992) began under Satanic origin and leadership in the Alameda Church, since the Holy Spirit fled and Harold Camping was under the wrath of God at that time. Therefore, since he was under God's wrath and was in a position of leadership in a church for 13 years under the authority of Satan, whatever teaching that was developed, was started by Satan.:devil:

So he's been wrong three times so far? But we're supposed to believe he's got it right this time?

 

[themadhair]

Why? Technology is used all the time to trump the spirit of science. Science is about knowledge and exploration, but for the most part, it seems that technology is used for profit and convenience.

Who said anything about trumping the spirit? I bring up the computer to illustrate that there are aspects and discoveries of science that people will ignorantly accept without realising there are disagreeing with the same scientific process.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

No! science starts with men like Aristotle

Problem here if you think that.

 

[bluZero]

Great. Therefore you agree that the earth is approximately 4.56 billions years old, that life first appeared on it around 3.5 billion years ago, and that all life descended from a single common ancestor from around that time, as well as that there has never been a global flood. Because that's what those sciences tell us.

It is totally absurd that you think just because I believe in the sciences that I would also believe in the false information that many use to find funding to further the support of their free loading, do you?:beach:

All the above is hearsay, And is absolutely unproven, I studied a year of that in collage, and could never agree on the way they have tried to prove their theory. It was all based on their own hodgpodge [guess work by reasoning] and not real scientific proof. :newyear:I told you earlier that the age of the earth is 13021 years old this year, creation began in 11013 B. C. So many of the experiments that they used to try and prove something has often broken down. And the flood actually happened. There would be no fossils if they had not been under mud flows as a result of the flood. After all those years you mention everything would have turned to dust. Didn't the picture of the sedimentary mountain prove anything to you, how do you think that strata got to be that way? Some one taking a leak off the hillside?:clover:

 

[Autodidact]

It is totally absurd that you think just because I believe in the sciences that I would also believe in the false information that many use to find funding to further the support of their free loading, do you?:beach:

All the above is hearsay, And is absolutely unproven, I studied a year of that in collage, and could never agree on the way they have tried to prove their theory. It was all based on their own hodgpodge [guess work by reasoning] and not real scientific proof. :newyear:I told you earlier that the age of the earth is 13021 years old this year, creation began in 11013 B. C. So many of the experiments that they used to try and prove something has often broken down. And the flood actually happened. There would be no fossils if they had not been under mud flows as a result of the flood. After all those years you mention everything would have turned to dust. Didn't the picture of the sedimentary mountain prove anything to you, how do you think that strata got to be that way? Some one taking a leak off the hillside?:clover:

I realize that you're not big on facts or reality, but the fact, in reality, is that is the consensus, mainstream, basic foundational view of those sciences. If you reject those positions, you reject those sciences, period. There's no two-ways about it. You can't say, and be honest or make sense, "I accept Geology but reject that the earth is 4.56 billion years old," when it's Geology that says that it is. That's like saying, "I agree that the sky is blue, but it's actually green."