Justify creationism over evolutionism

[Tristesse]

Everything you find is what happened after the 1 year flood that covered the entire earth in 4990 B. C. How (your leaders) choose to interpret the findings is only in their mind as in the mind of false prophets who teach false doctrines. You have been taught that , and it is what you know, but you never done any analysis on you own. Me on the other hand, do not accept every wind of doctrine that comes down the pipe. I check things out for myself to make sure what is said is true. Unfortunately you do not have that option, so you as I am are a believer, but you have to accept what you read, me I do not, and that is the difference between us.:slap:

Whats it like? living in an alternate world? This sounds like fun, I can make up stuff too. In the 12th century b.c. magic fire breathing pixies set up the laws that surround us, and steal my underwear on thursdays.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

"I check things out for myself to make sure what is said is true. Unfortunately you do not have that option, so you as I am are a believer, but you have to accept what you read, me I do not, and that is the difference between us.c"

Doesn't answer the question raised.

Why so many different layers? If all this was the result of one event you would have one layer. But there are many. Very clearly marked in some cases. Evidence of MANY events separated by many many years.

Why?

 

[themadhair]

Everything you find is what happened after the 1 year flood that covered the entire earth in 4990 B. C.

The problem with this is that what I describe should not be what we find if the flood was true. If the flood killed everything then the specific fossils should not be relegated to specific layers.

Whenever someone attempts the ‘interpretation’ argument here it tells me three things about them:

1)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]They don’t know anything about geology and have never gone out to look at the rock formations in question for themselves.
2)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]They don’t know anything about the fossils that have been found.
3)[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]They are attempting to project their own realisation that their own beliefs are just that – beliefs. This attempt to rationalise away evidence doesn’t really work because cold hard physical evidence wins out everytime regardless of the discussion.

How about you actually read my description of what geologists and palaeontologists find, actually think about it and realise why it is completely incompatible with a single moment of creation and a global flood, go out and verify it for yourself and then come back here and try to explain why your version of events should correlate with what we find.

Remember, if you are trying to fit reality around your myth then it isn’t going to happen – reality tends to be inflexible.

 

[Autodidact]

It is not a question of that at all. It is going to happen, and to make a bet would only prove that I am saying it, But it is not me that is saying it, it is God, offer him the bet.:yes: If this answer does not satisfy you, I'll need time to come up with one that will.

Really? Where and when did God say this?

Have you ever noticed that people with no argument at all, especially delusional people, will often claim it's not them talking, it's God? I didn't know God was a registered user at Religious Forums. And oddly, He uses the screen name blu. Well, His ways are truly mysterious.

Let me see, Camping had been asked that question several times, and he gave a satisfactory explanation of why it is not feasible. Because it is going to happen, there are no reason to make such a bet because I will not be here to collect from you, understand now?.
Do as I suggested, make yourself an emergency kit on or about April or early May, 2011.

Right, because Mr. Camping has such a good track record so far, I should definitely regard him as an authority.

 

[bluZero]

Whats it like? living in an alternate world? This sounds like fun, I can make up stuff too. In the 12th century b.c. magic fire breathing pixies set up the laws that surround us, and steal my underwear on thursdays.

Did you ever watch Sienfeld when whats her name lived in bizarro world?

 

[themadhair]

I check things out for myself to make sure what is said is true.

This bugs me because it is patently not true.

For example I went of a little trip up to Belfast University to see something called the Belfast curve. Marvellous thing, but before I describe it I need to explain a few things.

We all know that trees grow a new ring every year. What you may not know is that the thickness and density of that tree ring is determined by the climate in which that tree ring grew. So not only are tree rings a record of the tree’s age, they are also a record of the climate in which that tree lived.

Trees that live at the same time experience the same climate, and thus have the same pattern in their tree rings for the portion where the lives of those two trees coincided. We can use this to match up the age of long dead trees to count the tree rings backwards in time. This is called the dendrochronological record.

The Belfast curve is a series of oak tree samples that have been preserved in the Irish bogs containing tree rings that can be counted back over 9,000 years. The Belfast curve is, I believe, considered within the dendrochronological community to be the best dendrochronological record in the world (and also considered to be most accurate C14 calibrator).

When Vesuvius went up and buried Pompeii in 79 AD it belched ash into the atmosphere that was recorded in this fantastic climatological record that is the Belfast curve. So, given that the Belfast curve goes back 9,000 years and given that it recorded the eruption of Vesuvius, wouldn’t the fact that it has no evidence whatsoever of a global flood sometime around 4,990 BC sort of disprove your claim that such a flood happened?

It was a most entertaining day trip up to Belfast and I found seeing the curve in person thoroughly fascinating. I don’t for one single moment you have done any self-research comparable to this blu.

 

[Tristesse]

Did you ever watch Sienfeld when whats her name lived in bizarro world?

I've watched sienfeld, and I don't remember that episode.

 

[bluZero]

Really? Where and when did God say this?

Have you ever noticed that people with no argument at all, especially delusional people, will often claim it's not them talking, it's God? I didn't know God was a registered user at Religious Forums. And oddly, He uses the screen name blu. Well, His ways are truly mysterious.

Right, because Mr. Camping has such a good track record so far, I should definitely regard him as an authority.

What? what I said, I go with the answer I gave you printed in green.

That is Camping's answer up above, He says It is not i that am saying it is going to happen, it is what the bible says is going to happen. I should realize you are not that capable at reading either.

 

[themadhair]

He says It is not i that am saying it is going to happen, it is what the bible says is going to happen.

I love this bankrupt little argument. Reminds me of when people admonish gays or some such and then claim they aren’t being hateful because they were only quoting the bible.

If you are presenting this prediction then, sorry dude, you gotta be the one to take the flak.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

You have NOT addressed the questions raised.

Just repeating your mantra is NOT an answer.

WHY some many different and clearly marked layers?

 

[bluZero]

This bugs me because it is patently not true.

For example I went of a little trip up to Belfast University to see something called the Belfast curve. Marvellous thing, but before I describe it I need to explain a few things.

We all know that trees grow a new ring every year. What you may not know is that the thickness and density of that tree ring is determined by the climate in which that tree ring grew. So not only are tree rings a record of the tree’s age, they are also a record of the climate in which that tree lived.

Trees that live at the same time experience the same climate, and thus have the same pattern in their tree rings for the portion where the lives of those two trees coincided. We can use this to match up the age of long dead trees to count the tree rings backwards in time. This is called the dendrochronological record.

The Belfast curve is a series of oak tree samples that have been preserved in the Irish bogs containing tree rings that can be counted back over 9,000 years. The Belfast curve is, I believe, considered within the dendrochronological community to be the best dendrochronological record in the world (and also considered to be most accurate C14 calibrator).

When Vesuvius went up and buried Pompeii in 79 AD it belched ash into the atmosphere that was recorded in this fantastic climatological record that is the Belfast curve. So, given that the Belfast curve goes back 9,000 years and given that it recorded the eruption of Vesuvius, wouldn’t the fact that it has no evidence whatsoever of a global flood sometime around 4,990 BC sort of disprove your claim that such a flood happened?

It was a most entertaining day trip up to Belfast and I found seeing the curve in person thoroughly fascinating. I don’t for one single moment you have done any self-research comparable to this blu.

Well then allow me to better explain to you, so you have the full scope of the situation. Based on the bible account, the earth was created in 11013 B. C. 6000 +23 years later the flood occurred, 4990 B.C. It is biblical history, and cannot be altered by a bunch of man made beliefs. From the flood to 2011 is years 7000. The length of time from creation until the end of the wold will be exactly 13023 years. Science always takes a backseat to truth because without truth science could not prosper.

 

[themadhair]

WHY some many different and clearly marked layers?

WOT layers?? I see no layers???

 

[themadhair]

It is biblical history, and cannot be altered by a bunch of man made beliefs.

What beliefs? The rocks and fossils in the very ground beneath your feet strongly and unequivocally disagree with you.

The fact that you are not even bothering to address these things being mentioned to you would seem to indicate that you are having to deny a portion of reality in order to hold onto your beliefs.

If your biblical history is true then why does the physical evidence say otherwise? This is the question you have to address.

 

[bluZero]

I've watched sienfeld, and I don't remember that episode.

It went on for a few weeks and Elaine got involved with these characters that were exact opposite of her bunch of guys, but after a while they got rid of her because she started to push them around and they could not accept her ways.

It really wasn't that funny.

 

[Tristesse]

It went on for a few weeks and Elaine got involved with these characters that were exact opposite of her bunch of guys, but after a while they got rid of her because she started to push them around and they could not accept her ways.

It really wasn't that funny.

So now it's a sienfeld thread?

 

[bluZero]

What beliefs? The rocks and fossils in the very ground beneath your feet strongly and unequivocally disagree with you.

The fact that you are not even bothering to address these things being mentioned to you would seem to indicate that you are having to deny a portion of reality in order to hold onto your beliefs.

If your biblical history is true then why does the physical evidence say otherwise? This is the question you have to address.

The sediment layers tell the story of the receding waters WhaT ArE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

 

[bluZero]

So now it's a sienfeld thread?

No, I was just answering your Q. It is nice to take a break once in a while.

 

[Tristesse]

No, I was just answering your Q. It is nice to take a break once in a while.

But yes, I remember the episode now.

 

[bluZero]

Our only disagreement is in that I do not accept in Darwin as my God, and you do not accept Jesus as your God. So we do have different god's, but Science, not Evolution and Religion belongs to us both.

 

[themadhair]

The sediment layers tell the story of the receding waters WhaT ArE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Care to explain?

Take the Belfast curve for example – why didn’t the trees dating to 4,990 BC not notice they were underwater for a year?

Take the field of geology for example – why do the rocks not show any evidence whatsoever for a global flood and subsequent receding waters?

Take the fossil record for example – why do we have distinct fossil layers?

You really haven’t thought this through and are avoiding facing the reality of what we actually find when we dig into the ground. And in ignoring physical evidence you are spitting on science.