Justify creationism over evolutionism

[Tristesse]

God being real doesn't depend on what they wrote, but what they wrote is true.

Your determining the truth through your own perspective, it doesn't actually make it true, your making a judgment on truth. Your excepting something to be true, without evidence to support the claim.

 

[Father Heathen]

God being real doesn't depend on what they wrote, but what they wrote is true.

Why did you just repeat the exact same thing twice?

 

[Sonic247]

No, you obviously glazed over what I wrote. I said science DOESN'T have a hidden agenda to disprove a god. Nore does it have an agenda to prove god, science is completely neutral on the issue.

Why would you tell me science doesn't have a hidden agenda to disprove God if you didn't think that I thought science has a hidden agenda to disprove God.

 

[Sonic247]

Why did you just repeat the exact same thing twice?

When did I do that?

 

[Father Heathen]

Bible is like a sign that says "Dead End." (In this analogy anyway)

Are you sure that's the analogy you want to use, to compare the bible to a 'Dead End' sign?

 

[Tristesse]

That's true I agree with that. But you can be driving down a street a long time before you realize it's a dead end. The Bible is like a sign that says "Dead End." (In this analogy anyway)

No, the bible needs to have the same kinds of evidence that we require for everything else, the bible doesn't get a "get out of jail free" card, actually the bible needs substantially more evidence, because it has extraordinary claims in it, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

[Sonic247]

Your determining the truth through your own perspective, it doesn't actually make it true, your making a judgment on truth. Your excepting something to be true, without evidence to support the claim.

There is evidence if you study it.

 

[Tristesse]

Why would you tell me science doesn't have a hidden agenda to disprove God if you didn't think that I thought science has a hidden agenda to disprove God.

Well, for one, your acceptance of certain theories in science, and dismissal of others, based purely on your religious feelings. Science doesn't work that way, nore should it. The only position science should take on these issues is one of neutrality.

 

[Sonic247]

No, the bible needs to have the same kinds of evidence that we require for everything else, the bible doesn't get a "get out of jail free" card, actually the bible needs substantially more evidence, because it has extraordinary claims in it, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

The way you study the evidence of the Bible is by applying it. You have to take concept and experiment, the Bible says whoever humbles himself will be lifted up; that is a testable theory. That's just one example.

 

[Tristesse]

There is evidence if you study it.

No, the bible is evidence of the bible, not it's origins.

 

[Father Heathen]

When did I do that?

You said..

It isn't, but it is true.

..And..

God being real doesn't depend on what they wrote, but what they wrote is true.

But anyway, why should we ignore the insurmountable mountain of evidence that supports evolution (which, as I said before, is NOT mutually exclusive to belief in God) that's unanimously agreed upon by the international scientific community, and instead believe your particular creation myth over all the countless other creation myths when they are all equally unsubstantiated?

And in case you missed it the first time: Creation myth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Tristesse]

The way you study the evidence of the Bible is by applying it. You have to take concept and experiment, the Bible says whoever humbles himself will be lifted up; that is a testable theory. That's just one example.

So what? that shows no more knowledge than anyone living within the 1st century would have had. Thats not a proof, you have a misguided view of what a proof would contain. Especially for claims made in the bible.

 

[Sonic247]

Are you sure that's the analogy you want to use, to compare the bible to a 'Dead End' sign?

Yeah, I thought of that, That's why I put the parentheses. It's like this in that analogy, the roads are knowledge and the Bible is all the road signs. There happens to be a dead end sign on Evolution Ave.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

"hahaha good one. Well if your toe talks to you that's personal business and say what you want about my intellect but leave my fingers out of this."

That neither denies your ignorance (which is clear for ALL to see) nor answers the argument.

Why am I not surprised?

 

[Tristesse]

Yeah, I thought of that, That's why I put the parentheses. It's like this in that analogy, the roads are knowledge and the Bible is all the road signs. There happens to be a dead end sign on Evolution Ave.

No, there isn't a dead end sign, evolution is settled science, I don't know if your aware of that fact.

 

[Sonic247]

So what? that shows no more knowledge than anyone living within the 1st century would have had. Thats not a proof, you have a misguided view of what a proof would contain. Especially for claims made in the bible.

Actually is it so well known? Doen't many think that pride is the way to go. To lift yourself up, to be better than others. And that is just one example there is more evidence as other things are applied.

 

[Sonic247]

"hahaha good one. Well if your toe talks to you that's personal business and say what you want about my intellect but leave my fingers out of this."

That neither denies your ignorance (which is clear for ALL to see) nor answers the argument.

Why am I not surprised?

Well when you take all the personal insults out of you questions I might think they are worth answering.

 

[Sonic247]

No, there isn't a dead end sign, evolution is settled science, I don't know if your aware of that fact.

I'm not, I've heard alot of evolutionists but they weren't that convincing.

 

[Tristesse]

Actually is it so well known? Doen't many think that pride is the way to go. To lift yourself up, to be better than others. And that is just one example there is more evidence as other things are applied.

No, none of that constitutes evidence, you need things that manifest in the real world, pulling out a book, and saying "see, look at this passage" is a far cry from evidence. You need to make your case without the reliance on the bible or any book. Because the muslims can make the same case as you, same with the hindus. Or any other religion. They have books as well, and I'm sure they can find some passages that they would except as evidence. You need to do some comparative religion before you empty your eggs into one basket.

 

[Tristesse]

I'm not, I've heard alot of evolutionists but they weren't that convincing.

Their job isn't to convince you, it's to show you the facts.