Justify creationism over evolutionism

[Sonic247]

No, none of that constitutes evidence, you need things that manifest in the real world, pulling out a book, and saying "see, look at this passage" is a far cry from evidence. You need to make your case without the reliance on the bible or any book. Because the muslims can make the same case as you, same with the hindus. Or any other religion. They have books as well, and I'm sure they can find some passages that they would except as evidence. You need to do some comparative religion before you empty your eggs into one basket.

You don't just look at it though you experiment with it.

 

[Father Heathen]

Tell me, why should anyone use an ancient book written by primitive, savage goat herders, that's filled with contractions, inaccuracies and absurdities, and promotes misogyny, slavery, rape, torture, child murder and genocide as a guide for either morality or science?
Look, I care if you believe in God. Nothing wrong with that. The problem lies with blindly taking without question what MAN wrote regarding god as some absolute authority. If there is a God, he is not bound by the writ and words of mere men. Wouldn't you consider the blind adherence to some book and elevating it above God a blasphemous idolatry?

Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon

 

[Tristesse]

You don't just look at it though you experiment with it.

Ok, how is that different from a muslim experimenting with his book, or a hindu. See your looking at this from the narrow perspective of christianity. And what do you mean by experimenting with it?

 

[Sonic247]

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But anyway, why should we ignore the insurmountable mountain of evidence that supports evolution (which, as I said before, is NOT mutually exclusive to belief in God) that's unanimously agreed upon by the international scientific community, and instead believe your particular creation myth over all the countless other creation myths when they are all equally unsubstantiated?

And in case you missed it the first time: Creation myth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sweet I was looking for a link like that last night. But I will take the Bible over the international scientific community. We are an international organization too you know.

 

[Father Heathen]

I'm not, I've heard alot of evolutionists but they weren't that convincing.

That's because you already had your mind made up before any argument or evidence was even presented. It's called denial.

 

[Father Heathen]

Sweet I was looking for a link like that last night. But I will take the Bible over the international scientific community. We are an international organization too you know.

So what exactly makes the creation myth of your particular religion more valid and credible than the creation myths of all the other religions? Why should we abandon science and logic and make the blind leap to just trust you on this with total disregard for all evidence to the contrary? Doesn't seem like the intellectually honest thing to do, really.

 

[Sonic247]

Ok, how is that different from a muslim experimenting with his book, or a hindu. See your looking at this from the narrow perspective of christianity. And what do you mean by experimenting with it?

It actually could be a good thing for a hindu or Muslim. Remember when we talking before about the somewhat uniform nature of conscience worldwide? Well because of it things like do not lie, do not steal etc. are taught by many religions. And laws like that help people see they are sinners, and seeing they are sinners makes them look for an escape (aka salvation.) Seek and ye shall find, I'm a big believer in that.

 

[Sonic247]

So what exactly makes the creation myth of your particular religion more valid and credible than the creation myths of all the other religions? Why should we abandon science and logic and make the blind leap to trust you on this?

Because science and logic can't save you. Although you wouldn't be abandoning them, there are gifted Christian scientists.

Edit: As for being more credible one thing is we have fulfilled prophecy, and the resurrection etc.

 

[Tristesse]

It actually could be a good thing for a hindu or Muslim. Remember when we talking before about the somewhat uniform nature of conscience worldwide? Well because of it things like do not lie, do not steal etc. are taught by many religions. And laws like that help people see they are sinners, and seeing they are sinners makes them look for an escape (aka salvation.) Seek and ye shall find, I'm a big believer in that.

No, laws like that prevent people from taking those actions. I'm an atheist, and when people break the law, I don't see them as a sinner. I see them as a hinderment on society. It's us who make the laws, not the bible or any other ancient text.

 

[Father Heathen]

It actually could be a good thing for a hindu or Muslim. Remember when we talking before about the somewhat uniform nature of conscience worldwide? Well because of it things like do not lie, do not steal etc. are taught by many religions. And laws like that help people see they are sinners, and seeing they are sinners makes them look for an escape (aka salvation.) Seek and ye shall find, I'm a big believer in that.

Being honest, not killing and stealing, etc. is common sense when it comes to social behavior. It's about being rational, which requires no invisible sky daddy.

 

[Tristesse]

Because science and logic can't save you. Although you wouldn't be abandoning them, there are gifted Christian scientists.

Edit: As for being more credible one thing is we have fulfilled prophecy, and the resurrection etc.

You have the appearance of fulfilled prophecy, sure, but the ones who wrote the new testament, were familiar with the old.

 

[Sonic247]

Tell me, why should anyone use an ancient book written by primitive, savage goat herders, that's filled with contractions, inaccuracies and absurdities, and promotes misogyny, slavery, rape, torture, child murder and genocide as a guide for either morality or science?
Look, I care if you believe in God. Nothing wrong with that. The problem lies with blindly taking without question what MAN wrote regarding god as some absolute authority. If there is a God, he is not bound by the writ and words of mere men. Wouldn't you consider the blind adherence to some book and elevating it above God a blasphemous idolatry?

Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon

A book is not what is elavated, it is the truth about what it says. And if I did any of those things you mentioned I would be going against numerous commandments that God gave me.

 

[Sonic247]

You have the appearance of fulfilled prophecy, sure, but the ones who wrote the new testament, were familiar with the old.

What motivation was there to lie, they weren't exactly popular. They were all killed except for John.

 

[Tristesse]

A book is not what is elavated, it is the truth about what it says. And if I did any of those things you mentioned I would be going against numerous commandments that God gave me.

Ok, so, when I'm reading a spiderman comic, that the truth of spiderman?

 

[Sonic247]

If it's a true comic book.

 

[Tristesse]

What motivation was there to lie, they weren't exactly popular. They were all killed except for John.

What motivation? There's a reason why most jews don't except the new testament.

 

[Tristesse]

If it's a true comic book.

About spiderman? Yeah it's a true comic book

 

[Father Heathen]

Because science and logic can't save you.

"Save" me from what, exactly?

Although you wouldn't be abandoning them, there are gifted Christian scientists.

So? People can both be Christian and believe in evolution, which they likely do if they're actually legitimate scientists: Theistic evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Edit: As for being more credible one thing is we have fulfilled prophecy, and the resurrection etc.

So what? All of the other religions have also had supposed fulfilled prophecies and various miracles, so it's nothing special. But yours and theirs are all unsubstantiated claims. Also, crucifixion and resurrection myths are hardly original or unique to Christianity and were a tired shtick long before hand. Osiris, Horus, Krishna, Mithra, Dionysus, Odin, etc, etc.

 

[Sonic247]

Save you from your sins of course. And their are legitimate scientist who believe what I believe. And those other prophecies wouldn't compare to Bible prophecy under close scutiny. And as far as myths were someone is crucified and then ressurected I haven't seen any, especially not by someone that was definately a person in human history. not that it would prove anything if there was.

 

[Father Heathen]

A book is not what is elavated, it is the truth about what it says. And if I did any of those things you mentioned I would be going against numerous commandments that God gave me.

But you are claiming a book has power over God when you say he is bound by its words, which were written by mere (ancient and primitive) men. Anyone can easily put words in god's mouth. That's what religion is all about.