JW's Preach A Different Gospel

[katiemygirl]

"e.r.m.",
It is easy to make assertions, but it is much harder to provide proof, when someone asks you to show proof from the only source of proof for all Bible doctrine.
When I first heard some of the teaching of Witnesses, I thought they were crazy, because they seemed to be teaching from some other book, and not the Bible. One person I loved very much was an Aunt of mine, who was one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I did not want her to be mislead by false teachers, so I started to study the Bible diligently, and deeply. The only way to really understand the Bible is to study it topically, that is pick a topic, or doctrine, then look up all scripture that even slightly had to do with the subject. I did this on several topics, and instead of proving what she believed wrong, I proved to myself that what she believed was correct. I just could not believe that the whole world was wrong, in their beliefs, but if you stop to think about it, is that not the way with most things, the majority actually does not know what is correct on almost all things.
Before making too many assertions that may put you as an enemy, actually of God, it would be wise to look at any one teaching of that JW's and prove to yourself, what the Bible SAYS, instead of what people SAY it SAYS.
I have learned over 50 years that Chtistendom today, is not the Christianity of the first century. Through the process of Syncretism, over almost 2,000 years, the teachings of all the major religions are far from what was taught by The Apostles in the first century. The fact is we were warned, by the Bible itself, that this would take place, Acts 20:28-30, 2Thes 2:3-13, 2Tim 4:2-5, 1Pet 2:22Pet 2:1-3, 3:15-18, Matt 7:21-23, Luke 13:23,24, John 16:1-4, really consider what John is saying here, that people who thought they were in God's favor, would actually kill God's true disciples, actually believing that they were doing a service to God.
Remember, the Bible says that people of all nations would hate true Christians, Matt 12:22, 24:9. Remember, and think about these next verses, Luke 6:22,23, then 24-26. Very telling!!!

While doing your topical studies, what did you learn about the gospel Peter, Paul, Phillip, and other preachers in the New Testament proclaimed? I would be very interested to know. If you haven't done this study, I highly reccommend it.

How does the gospel they preached compare with the gospel preached by JW's, which teaches that God's heavenly kingdom was established by the enthronement of his Son Jesus Christ at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914." (Watchtower, May 1, 1981, p.17)

Where in the New Testament is the JW gospel found? Can you direct me to a single instance where Peter, Paul, Phillip or any other gospel preacher proclaimed the message JW's teach?

 

[12jtartar]

Does the Bible ever say that if a person's beliefs are hated it means the person himself is hated?

Savagewind,
Consider John 16:2,3. Here people would kill God's people, thinking that they are doing a service to God. The reason they kill is because they hate!!! If it was just because of a difference in belief, they would try to help the person see the truth of God's word. If a person is obeying the commandment to love your neighbor, he would help that person to learn truth, which could lead to that person gaining eternal life. Killing a person does not show love for that person, Matt 22:36-40, 1John 3:10-12, Rom 13:8-10. Consider closely John 15:17-21, where Jesus is telling the reason why people will hate his disciples. In both Matthew 10:22, and Matt 24:9, Jesus told his disciples that they would be hated by ALL peoples. Of course this would be because of their teachings. The world has gotten so far from the truth of God's word that they are not able to understand truth, 2Tim 4:2-4. The Bible tells that Christians would be teaching things that would overturn strongly intrenched things, notice 2Cor 10:3-5. Christians would seem to be teaching false teachings, but it is the hearers that were so far wrong that they thought the truth was wrong.

 

[katiemygirl]

Savagewind,
Consider John 16:2,3. Here people would kill God's people, thinking that they are doing a service to God. The reason they kill is because they hate!!! If it was just because of a difference in belief, they would try to help the person see the truth of God's word. If a person is obeying the commandment to love your neighbor, he would help that person to learn truth, which could lead to that person gaining eternal life. Killing a person does not show love for that person, Matt 22:36-40, 1John 3:10-12, Rom 13:8-10. Consider closely John 15:17-21, where Jesus is telling the reason why people will hate his disciples. In both Matthew 10:22, and Matt 24:9, Jesus told his disciples that they would be hated by ALL peoples. Of course this would be because of their teachings. The world has gotten so far from the truth of God's word that they are not able to understand truth, 2Tim 4:2-4. The Bible tells that Christians would be teaching things that would overturn strongly intrenched things, notice 2Cor 10:3-5. Christians would seem to be teaching false teachings, but it is the hearers that were so far wrong that they thought the truth was wrong.

Hi 12jtartar,
I would appreciate it if you would address my recent post to you.
Thanks, Katie

 

[savagewind]

Savagewind,
Consider John 16:2,3. Here people would kill God's people, thinking that they are doing a service to God. The reason they kill is because they hate!!!

Yes, it is hate that causes killing. But not always. When God kills everyone but his witnesses, as some people teach it, is it hate?

If it was just because of a difference in belief, they would try to help the person see the truth of God's word. If a person is obeying the commandment to love your neighbor, he would help that person to learn truth, which could lead to that person gaining eternal life. Killing a person does not show love for that person,

Thank you Mr. Obvious

Matt 22:36-40, 1John 3:10-12, Rom 13:8-10.

Consider closely John 15:17-21, where Jesus is telling the reason why people will hate his disciples.

Actually, like most things, you seem to have it backward. He didn't say they would HATE you for your differences. He said they would not love you for your differences.

In both Matthew 10:22, and Matt 24:9, Jesus told his disciples that they would be hated by ALL peoples. Of course this would be because of their teachings.

No. I am sure it says "because of my name". http://biblehub.com/matthew/10-22.htm
Think please! The world has gone wild crazy. Hasn't it? Jesus said that just like in the days of Noah it would be. What did Noah do? He proved that one does not have to go crazy too. Standing up against crazy is what causes people to hate another. You say that teaching the truth is what causes people to hate you. Can you prove that?

The world has gotten so far from the truth of God's word that they are not able to understand truth, 2Tim 4:2-4. The Bible tells that Christians would be teaching things that would overturn strongly intrenched things, notice 2Cor 10:3-5. Christians would seem to be teaching false teachings, but it is the hearers that were so far wrong that they thought the truth was wrong.

Oh but the truth is that hearers have become so far wrong that lies sound like truth to them.

 

[Muffled]

I think mormons can compete for that title.

I believe Mormons have a better chance of being right but there is an inherent problem with latter day saint viewpoint in that it is not always the ones who seem appointed who have the truth and there is no shortage of false teaching. As someone asked me once: If the Holy Spirit say one thing to one person and another thing to another person , who decides which one is right?

 

[Muffled]

"e.r.m.",
It is easy to make assertions, but it is much harder to provide proof, when someone asks you to show proof from the only source of proof for all Bible doctrine.
When I first heard some of the teaching of Witnesses, I thought they were crazy, because they seemed to be teaching from some other book, and not the Bible. One person I loved very much was an Aunt of mine, who was one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I did not want her to be mislead by false teachers, so I started to study the Bible diligently, and deeply. The only way to really understand the Bible is to study it topically, that is pick a topic, or doctrine, then look up all scripture that even slightly had to do with the subject. I did this on several topics, and instead of proving what she believed wrong, I proved to myself that what she believed was correct. I just could not believe that the whole world was wrong, in their beliefs, but if you stop to think about it, is that not the way with most things, the majority actually does not know what is correct on almost all things.
Before making too many assertions that may put you as an enemy, actually of God, it would be wise to look at any one teaching of that JW's and prove to yourself, what the Bible SAYS, instead of what people SAY it SAYS.
I have learned over 50 years that Chtistendom today, is not the Christianity of the first century. Through the process of Syncretism, over almost 2,000 years, the teachings of all the major religions are far from what was taught by The Apostles in the first century. The fact is we were warned, by the Bible itself, that this would take place, Acts 20:28-30, 2Thes 2:3-13, 2Tim 4:2-5, 1Pet 2:22Pet 2:1-3, 3:15-18, Matt 7:21-23, Luke 13:23,24, John 16:1-4, really consider what John is saying here, that people who thought they were in God's favor, would actually kill God's true disciples, actually believing that they were doing a service to God.
Remember, the Bible says that people of all nations would hate true Christians, Matt 12:22, 24:9. Remember, and think about these next verses, Luke 6:22,23, then 24-26. Very telling!!!

I believe you managed to exalt yourself to the high position of correct interpreter of scripture. I have the Holy Spirit as my guide and He has shown me that the JW teachings are false interpretations.

 

[Milton Platt]

The JW's preach a different gospel.
"Let the honest-hearted person compare the kind of preaching of the gospel done by the religious systems of Christendom during all the centuries with that done by Jehovah's Witnesses since the end of World War I in 1918. They are not one and the same kind. That of Jehovah's Witnesses is really "gospel" or "good news," as of God's heavenly kingdom that was established by the enthronement of his Son Jesus Christ at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914." (Watchtower, May 1, 1981, p. 17)

It's true...JW's are different....just like all the other sects.

 

[katiemygirl]

It's true...JW's are different....just like all the other sects.

JW's preach another gospel, completely unlike anything the apostles preached.

 

[12jtartar]

Muffled,
Please, I beg you, pick out one of the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, and help me to understand correctly Bible doctrine, for I must be a lost soul. If you know The truth and do not help me you have no love for neighbor, you would allow me to die in my error, but you would live forever. We must love our neighbor as ourselves, Matt 22:36-40. Correcting a person about false doctrines he believes is just about the best way to demonstrate love. I will go out of my way to help anyone, will you help me???

 

[12jtartar]

Katiemygirl,
I know that it seems that we teach a different Gospel, but the truth is, other people who claim to be Christian, have allowed so many false teachings to become part of their teaching, that they think someone who teaches the truth is wrong, when it is really them that are in error. This is what Jesus was saying at John 16:2-4. Consider what Jesus was saying at Matt 7:21-23. These people that were saying lord, lord to Jesus thought they were doing right, but Jesus knew better, he did not accept them.
Remember, God's people are to be different from the world, what you believe is what the world believes, Luke 6:22,23. If all the world speaks well of you, that means you are of the world, and not of God, Luke 6:26.
It is the few that are not of the world who are favored by God, Matthew 7:13,14, Luke 13:23,24. If you are one of God's people the world will hate you!!! Does the world hate you because of your beliefs??? The people that believed Jesus were few, they even persecuted, and finally killed him. Was Jesus wrong because all the people thought he was?? John 15:18-21.
It is very easy to get fooled, because the Devil is misleading the entire inhabited earth, Revelation 12:9. Remember, Satan is the God of this world, and that is why most cannot understand God's word, 2Corinthians 4:3,4, 11:12-15, 1John 5:19.
Do not let people fool you!!! it is really the ones you would least expect that are really God's people, Matthew 5:10-12, 1Corinthians 1:24-29.
Do you think you know something, 1Corinthians 8:2,3???

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Muffled,
Please, I beg you, pick out one of the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, and help me to understand correctly Bible doctrine, for I must be a lost soul. If you know The truth and do not help me you have no love for neighbor, you would allow me to die in my error, but you would live forever. We must love our neighbor as ourselves, Matt 22:36-40. Correcting a person about false doctrines he believes is just about the best way to demonstrate love. I will go out of my way to help anyone, will you help me???

I will ask you the same thing. Please I beg you "help me understand correctly Bible doctrine", for I must be a lost soul. How do JW's get the belief from the following question that Jesus appointed the slave they say exists today? Maybe if I can understand that everything else will fall into place.

Matthew 24:45 (ESV Strong's) 45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I ask any JW on here to read Acts 2:22-41 and tell us what they understand.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I ask any JW on here to read Acts 2:22-41 and tell us what they understand.

Understand: ' culpability '. Acts of the Apostles 2:22 the ' Men of Israel ' had the community responsibility to bring Jesus to justice and they failed to bring Jesus to justice thus sharing in community blood guilt - Deuteronomy 21:7-9; Acts of the Apostles 3:13-15 A

Peter, as spokesman, gives the speech to the Jews and the crowds respond to Peter's speech - Acts of the Apostles 2:37-41
They responded in a positive way by 3,000 repenting and being baptized - Acts of the Apostles 2:41
See also Acts of the Apostles 4:4; Acts of the Apostles 6:7; Acts of the Apostles 8:12
Christian fellowship followed - Acts of the Apostles 2:42-47

 

[katiemygirl]

="12jtartar, post: 4487650, member: 57230"]Katiemygirl,
I know that it seems that we teach a different Gospel, but the truth is, other people who claim to be Christian, have allowed so many false teachings to become part of their teaching, that they think someone who teaches the truth is wrong, when it is really them that are in error.

It is true that many who claim to be christians teach some things which are false, but this does not change the fact that JW's preach another gospel, and do so without apology. One only needs to read the words from Watchtower posted in my OP.

If you are one of God's people the world will hate you!!! Does the world hate you because of your beliefs???

Yes they do.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Katiemygirl,
I know that it seems that we teach a different Gospel, but the truth is, other people who claim to be Christian, have allowed so many false teachings to become part of their teaching, that they think someone who teaches the truth is wrong, when it is really them that are in error. This is what Jesus was saying at John 16:2-4. Consider what Jesus was saying at Matt 7:21-23. These people that were saying lord, lord to Jesus thought they were doing right, but Jesus knew better, he did not accept them.
Remember, God's people are to be different from the world, what you believe is what the world believes, Luke 6:22,23. If all the world speaks well of you, that means you are of the world, and not of God, Luke 6:26.
It is the few that are not of the world who are favored by God, Matthew 7:13,14, Luke 13:23,24. If you are one of God's people the world will hate you!!! Does the world hate you because of your beliefs??? The people that believed Jesus were few, they even persecuted, and finally killed him. Was Jesus wrong because all the people thought he was?? John 15:18-21.
It is very easy to get fooled, because the Devil is misleading the entire inhabited earth, Revelation 12:9. Remember, Satan is the God of this world, and that is why most cannot understand God's word, 2Corinthians 4:3,4, 11:12-15, 1John 5:19.
Do not let people fool you!!! it is really the ones you would least expect that are really God's people, Matthew 5:10-12, 1Corinthians 1:24-29.
Do you think you know something, 1Corinthians 8:2,3???

You are very deceived if you actually believe that God allowed all the false doctrine you claim was taught for thousands of years until 1931 when the JW's were formed. Give me a break!

 

[Muffled]

Muffled,
Please, I beg you, pick out one of the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, and help me to understand correctly Bible doctrine, for I must be a lost soul. If you know The truth and do not help me you have no love for neighbor, you would allow me to die in my error, but you would live forever. We must love our neighbor as ourselves, Matt 22:36-40. Correcting a person about false doctrines he believes is just about the best way to demonstrate love. I will go out of my way to help anyone, will you help me???

I believe you should change your thinking about the divinity of Jesus. There are scads of verses supporting this. One is the statement Jesus makes that He and the Father are one. A correct interpretation of this is that God is one Spirit whether in the body (Jesus) or out of the body (The Father). This is also what the Holy Spirit teaches me.

 

[katiemygirl]

I believe you should change your thinking about the divinity of Jesus. There are scads of verses supporting this. One is the statement Jesus makes that He and the Father are one. A correct interpretation of this is that God is one Spirit whether in the body (Jesus) or out of the body (The Father). This is also what the Holy Spirit teaches me.

If Jesus is not God, then His death was meaningless, and we are all in big trouble. A created being could not pay the penalty for the sins of the world. Only GOD could do that.

If Jesus is not God, how can He be everywhere? How can He be eternal? How can He give eternal life? How was He able to raise Himself from the dead? How could He have created ALL things?

Jesus is God! Those who deny His divinity will pay the ultimate price.

 

[Muffled]

[QUOTE="katiemygirl, post: 4502006, member: 29151"]If Jesus is not God, then His death was meaningless, and we are all in big trouble. .A created being could not pay the penalty for the sins of the world Only GOD could do that.

If Jesus is not God, how can He be everywhere? How can He be eternal? How can He give eternal life? How was He able to raise Himself from the dead? How could He have created ALL things?

Jesus is God! Those who deny His divinity will pay the ultimate price.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe this to be true. There would still be meaning but not the one He wished to convey.

Actually I believe we can as we are told to take up our cross and follow Him.

I believe what is being evidenced is the fact that God loves us enough to suffer and die for us. Also i t is only God who can forgive sins (re the verse that says that in response to Jesus doing so) which has been made clear in the OT but the crucifixion puts a stamp of authority upon with His blood.

I believe this is over the top but certainly incorrect understanding of scripture will lead to some form of suffering.

 

[katiemygirl]

[QUOTE="katiemygirl, post: 4502006, member: 29151"]If Jesus is not God, then His death was meaningless, and we are all in big trouble. .A created being could not pay the penalty for the sins of the world Only GOD could do that.

If Jesus is not God, how can He be everywhere? How can He be eternal? How can He give eternal life? How was He able to raise Himself from the dead? How could He have created ALL things?

Jesus is God! Those who deny His divinity will pay the ultimate price.

I don't believe this to be true. There would still be meaning but not the one He wished to convey.

Actually I believe we can as we are told to take up our cross and follow Him.

I believe what is being evidenced is the fact that God loves us enough to suffer and die for us. Also i t is only God who can forgive sins (re the verse that says that in response to Jesus doing so) which has been made clear in the OT but the crucifixion puts a stamp of authority upon with His blood.

I believe this is over the top but certainly incorrect understanding of scripture will lead to some form of suffering.[/QUOTE]
What don't you believe is true? I'm glad you said God died for us. That is truth!

 

[Muffled]

I don't believe this to be true. There would still be meaning but not the one He wished to convey.

Actually I believe we can as we are told to take up our cross and follow Him.

I believe what is being evidenced is the fact that God loves us enough to suffer and die for us. Also i t is only God who can forgive sins (re the verse that says that in response to Jesus doing so) which has been made clear in the OT but the crucifixion puts a stamp of authority upon with His blood.

I believe this is over the top but certainly incorrect understanding of scripture will lead to some form of suffering.

What don't you believe is true? I'm glad you said God died for us. That is truth![/QUOTE]

I don't believe that the death of Jesus would be meaningless if He were not God but it certainly would have a different meaning.

The fact that God died is only a half truth. Usually the way it works is that a person dies then the spirit leaves the body (hopefully) but Jesus left the body before it died. The result is the same. Jesus was no longer in the body and the body was dead. However technically God was not present when the body died so one can also say that He didn't die.