JW's Preach A Different Gospel

[JayJayDee]

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17.....But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." (ESV)

The dead who are of Christ's anointed are not resurrected until "the coming of the Lord". These "rise first". So no one went anywhere before that time. Jesus will call the rest of the dead out of their graves after the cleansing of the earth. (John 5;28, 29) How can he call people out of their graves unless they are all still in them?

The Revelation is presented in signs and symbols so the ones crying out for justice would be the same as the blood of Abel crying out to God in much the same way. (Gen 4:10)

 

[savagewind]

Why does God become provoked if love does not become provoked?

Why does God keep account of the injury to the governing body by people not believing in them if love does not keep account of the injury?

Does God expect people love to be better than god love?

By what I see all Christian Bibles teaching, the answer is YES. God expects us to be better than He.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It's quite simple. The Bible itself gives the formula for calculating the time of Jesus' return as king of the kingdom.

You do err in saying it's quite simple!


*** w13 7/15 p. 8 par. 19 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
19 In review, what have we learned? In the beginning of this article, we raised three “when” questions. We first considered that the great tribulation did not begin in 1914 but will start when the United Nations attacks Babylon the Great. Then, we reviewed why Jesus’ judgment of the sheep and the goats did not begin in 1914 but will occur during the great tribulation. Finally, we examined why Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation. So, then, all three “whens” apply to the same future time period—the great tribulation. How does this adjusted view further affect our understanding of the illustration of the faithful slave? Also, how does it affect our understanding of other parables, or illustrations, of Jesus that are being fulfilled during this time of the end? These important questions will be considered in the following articles.

It took the GB 100 years to figure out what they were teaching was wrong. It wasn't quite simple for them, was it?

The GB cannot interpret the Bible in any "TRUE" sense and this is how they sugar coat their "FALSE" teachings:

*** w13 7/15 p. 8 par. 17 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
In the past, we have stated in our publications that these last four references apply to Jesus’ arriving, or coming, in 1918. As an example, take Jesus’ statement about “the faithful and discreet slave.”

The above errors, "FALSE TEACHINGS" were not just "STATED" they were "TAUGHT" as "TRUTH" and all JW's were bound by them. Prior to 2013, if any JW would have said they thought the teaching of the tribulation starting in 1914 was false, they would have been shunned for turning away from God.

I live in Kansas, and we have a saying about or weather: "If you don't like the weather, hang on a little bit, it'll change" that's the way the GBs teachings are.

 

[katiemygirl]

It comes down to drinking from clean water sources

No, it comes down to arrogance, and self deception. BEWARE of any religious org that claims to have perfect interpretation of Revelation and other prophetic books, while saying ALL others are wrong.

 

[Pegg]

No, it comes down to arrogance, and self deception. BEWARE of any religious org that claims to have perfect interpretation of Revelation and other prophetic books, while saying ALL others are wrong.

I havnt heard the GB claim perfection yet...nor does being 'spirit directed' mean perfection either.

I know its easy to form opinions from 2nd hand information, but i know a lot of people have changed there negative view after taking a firsthand look from the inside. If you ever attend a meeting id be interested to know your thoughts.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Every eye did see him, they just didn't know it.

He didn't come--it teaches he received his crown at Rev 6

WOW!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I havnt heard the GB claim perfection yet...nor does being 'spirit directed' mean perfection either.

Do you believe the Bible to be the "INFALLIBLE", "INSPIRED" Word of God?

 

[Nada]

No....JW's preach a different gospel to Christendom's interpretation of the NT...that would be because Christendom has never taught the truth about Jesus.



It's quite simple. The Bible itself gives the formula for calculating the time of Jesus' return as king of the kingdom.
It's the same method from the book of Daniel that the Jews used to calculate when Messiah was due to put in his first appearance.

Under the heading "Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses say that God’s Kingdom was established in 1914?"
We demonstrate how the calculation was made.

Dates — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

It is noteworthy that understanding when the "last days" began, does not allow us to figure out when the end will come. But world events indicate that it must be close. We continue to keep on the watch as Jesus told us. (Matt 24:42-44)

Daniel saw in vision, the future enthronement of Jehovah's king. (Dan 7:13, 14) This was unseen to human eyes and like all of Daniel's prophesies, pertained to "the time of the end" (Dan 12:4, 9, 10)

The fact that Jesus needed to give a "sign of his presence and of the conclusion of things" means that we can only identify his "presence" as king by the signs he told us to look for. (Matt 24:3-14) It was to begin with unprecedented war, followed by food shortages, pestilence, great earthquakes, an increase in lawlessness and the love of people growing cold. (Luke 21:7-28) A global preaching was also to take place during this time.

By the time people "see" Jesus "coming on the clouds with power and great glory" it will be too late for people to respond to the preaching that Jesus commanded for this time period.

This is why we see 1914 as the beginning of the time of the end. Christ is reigning as king of God's kingdom right now, but he has not made his appearance as judge yet. (2 Thess 1:6-9) Rime is running out.

 

[Katzpur]

Hj Katzpur... Do mormans use the name of God as part of their worship?

Occasionally, but not every time we refer to Him.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Now they are after their kids money!

 

[Nada]

Now they are after their kids money!

Oh boy! Not these guys.Lol... They are funny and seem to have a few screws loose.They sort of remind me of this SNL skit a bit.

Ps.This mans personal issues with his mother is really something.Wow! I wonder where this mans anger comes from?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Ps.This mans personal issues with his mother is really something.Wow! I wonder where this mans anger comes from?

These people posted a video off the JW website showing they are after kids money because they are spending more then people are giving and all you see is this mans personal life? You're in deep denial. You have no integrity left, the GB has taken it all and you feel good about it. That is sad. Please deny that the GB is after kids money now, wanting their last quarter.

 

[savagewind]

Almost eight million Jehovah's Witnesses. At one time, unbaptized people were not counted. I do not know if children of JWs are counted or not. I think not. Let's say there are at least ten million faithful believers in that religion. Twenty five cents times ten million is a whole lot of money! Times twelve is even more. Who can't drop in a quarter each month? One quarter each month per JW makes three million dollars a year. Right? The video is doing a whole lot more than influencing children to contribute.

Also that coin looked bigger than a quarter. I'll say that was on purpose. Now in the people's subconscious mind it is a dollar.

One dollar times twelve times ten million.

 

[katiemygirl]

I havnt heard the GB claim perfection yet...nor does being 'spirit directed' mean perfection either.

I know its easy to form opinions from 2nd hand information, but i know a lot of people have changed there negative view after taking a firsthand look from the inside. If you ever attend a meeting id be interested to know your thoughts.

Are you saying that your Watchtower literature is second-hand information?

As for me ever going to one of your meetings, that'll never happen! You're saying that the only way to understand what Watchtower teaches is to become part of their org? No thank you. I've read their literature and listen to what you and other JW's teach. That's enough for me.

Please don't deny that Watchtower teaches that salvation and correct Bible interpretation come through the WTO ALONE. It's in their literature. They have repeatedly claimed it. And people like KJW47 reinforce it when he makes claims that certain Scriptures in Revelation or from the prophets mean what he says they mean, and the rest of us are wrong. That is so arrogant. None of us has perfect interpretation. The best we can do is speculate.

 

[JFish123]

Ill stand on the side of a murdered brother any day if it means i dont have to worship an all mysterious pagan trinity.

The Trinity is not a pagan concept Pegg. At all. Even history shows the difference. The pagans believed in a pantheon of gods where a few, say 3, who are completely SEPERATE, would rule over all the other gods. The Trinity is 1 God, where there are 3 persons that are the same in nature and essence (God). This is prolific throughout all of Scripture where each one is referred to as God and has the attributes of God. So please don't believe the Watchtower hype.

 

[JFish123]

I havnt heard the GB claim perfection yet...nor does being 'spirit directed' mean perfection either.

I know its easy to form opinions from 2nd hand information, but i know a lot of people have changed there negative view after taking a firsthand look from the inside. If you ever attend a meeting id be interested to know your thoughts.

That's a good cop out the GB uses so they can get as many predictions wrong and use this 'new light' so no one is the wiser.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The Trinity is not a pagan concept Pegg. At all. Even history shows the difference. The pagans believed in a pantheon of gods where a few, say 3, who are completely SEPERATE, would rule over all the other gods. The Trinity is 1 God, where there are 3 persons that are the same in nature and essence (God). This is prolific throughout all of Scripture where each one is referred to as God and has the attributes of God. So please don't believe the Watchtower hype.

They only understand human deity. The GB can exist as 8 persons in one essence, but the creator God, Who created them doesn't have the ability to exist as 3 persons in one essence.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

That's a good cop out the GB uses so they can get as many predictions wrong and use this 'new light' so no one is the wiser.

That's exactly why they take proverbs 4:18 out of context, so they can cover their false teaching behinds.

Who can't comprehend that the verse says, "the "PATH" of the "RIGHTEOUS" is "LIKE" the "LIGHT" of dawn, it gets "BRIGHTER", not "NEWER"

 

[Wharton]

Oh boy! Not these guys.Lol... They are funny and seem to have a few screws loose.They sort of remind me of this SNL skit a bit.

You don't like them? A few screws loose? Google "mental health of jehovah's witnesses in western Australia" published in the British Journal of Psychiatry.

 

[Shak34]

Now they are after their kids money!

I love their subliminal image series. I enjoy finding all of the weird and creepy images in the literature.