"Karen" or "Becky" are not sexist or racist nor are the equivalent to any racial pejoratives

[Shadow Wolf]

Already been done. Racial study that looks at jobs who hire based on names. Most people of that name you mention don't get hired versus people with my name which is "white-sounding." I know you think you're clever but research has already looked into it.

It's more along the lines it would be, rightfully so, unacceptable and inappropriate to have a vague, faceless latasha as a fill in for negative stereotypes against black women. But a vague, faceless karen as a fill in for negative stereotypes against white women is being defended, becoming more commonly used, and how it's being used in a sexist manner is being downplayed and dismissed.

 

[George-ananda]

Already been done. Racial study that looks at jobs who hire based on names. Most people of that name you mention don't get hired versus people with my name which is "white-sounding." I know you think you're clever but research has already looked into it.

Err...you're changing the subject from what I commented on. Maybe I am that clever that you had to do that?

Bottom line is words like Karen and Latisha (as I defined it) are both mean-spirited and are not usages I would promote.

 

[Wildswanderer]

So what I got from this is that its okay to call middle aged, high strung white women derogatory names. ?

 

[Revoltingest]

So what I got from this is that its okay to call middle aged, high strung white women derogatory names. ?

They can be young & old too...& male, for which there's "Ken".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So what I got from this is that its okay to call middle aged, high strung white women derogatory names. ?

And that it's not sexist to use that name as a cover for pressuring women into silence.

 

[Wildswanderer]

They can be young & old too...& male, for which there's "Ken".

Ok, good to know!
( Some of the memes are pretty funny.)

 

[Revoltingest]

Ok, good to know!
( Some of the memes are pretty funny.)

When facing double standards, it can
be tough to figure out when they apply,
& when they don't.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ok, good to know!
( Some of the memes are pretty funny.)

I had an employee once who told me the origin of her name.
Her father wanted a son, & was planning on "Ken". (This
would've been odd today...a black guy whose name means
entitled white boy.) But she was (you guess it) a girl.
So he added "sheila", & she was thus "Kensheila".
(Accent the first syllable.)
It was particularly odd cuz"sheila" is Aussie slang for "girl".
Yet they're as Ameristanian as apple pie & Chevrolet.
Go figure.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Err...you're changing the subject from what I commented on. Maybe I am that clever that you had to do that?

Bottom line is words like Karen and Latisha (as I defined it) are both mean-spirited and are not usages I would promote.

Maybe I misunderstood it. Regardless, I think the majority of the people here in opposition to the subject matter are overlooking my synopsis of the subject matter. I clearly and definitively gave a reason why the term Karen was created. How many African-American men were falsely accused by women and have died because of it? How many? And you guys are worried about the name and not the history behind it?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

So what I got from this is that its okay to call middle aged, high strung white women derogatory names. ?

You obviously didn't read the thread......Please don't comment unless you can follow from start to finish. If you plan on skimming the thread just don't comment unless fear of looking stupid.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

And that it's not sexist to use that name as a cover for pressuring women into silence.

This is the problem I have with some people on RF. You see a thread, your sensitivities are offended you skim the thread and then they comment. Clearly the person didn't take time to look at the OP, read my explanation nor subsequent posts and yet they comment. It's literally 4 pages of comments. I feel like if you want to debate read the subject matter then comment don't skim information then ask "bad" questions.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Ok, good to know!
( Some of the memes are pretty funny.)

SMH

 

[George-ananda]

Maybe I misunderstood it. Regardless, I think the majority of the people here in opposition to the subject matter are overlooking my synopsis of the subject matter. I clearly and definitively gave a reason why the term Karen was created. How many African-American men were falsely accused by women and have died because of it? How many? And you guys are worried about the name and not the history behind it?

And how much disproportionate crime have blacks committed against whites? And do we need names like a 'Latisha' or a 'Deshawn' to describe the different types of crimes and attitudes? Like a 'Latisha' that blames all her problems on whites? And now in 2021 you want to create some new derogatory words that will certainly only worsen relations.

**mod edit**

 

[Epic Beard Man]

And how much disproportionate crime have blacks committed against whites?

How whataboutism of you? Whites commit more hate crime statistically as most known offenders are white at 52.5%

See:Hate Crime Statistics

And do we need names like a 'Latisha' or a 'Deshawn' to describe the different types of crimes and attitudes?

This has nothing to do with the thread nor names are indicative of criminal behavior.

And now in 2021 you want to create some new derogatory words that will certainly only worsen relations.

You are clearly lost. I didn't come up with these terms. Apparently, you've been living under a rock because these terms have been around from 2019 to the present. You fail at this debate with no actual rational defense to back up your grievances of the issue. If you cannot debate with facts please don't debate at all. Come with substantiated facts like me. Not only did you try and deflect with the whataboutism, but your deflection makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Wildswanderer]

SMH

SYB (?)

 

[Wildswanderer]

Ok I got it now. It's ok to make fun of certain whites but not anyone of any other race? Am I getting warm?

 

[George-ananda]

How whataboutism of you? Whites commit more hate crime statistically as most known offenders are white at 52.5%

See:Hate Crime Statistics

Why are you bringing that up I was talking about social misbehavior and using a popular name to describe it.

This has nothing to do with the thread nor names are indicative of criminal behavior. If you believe that you're an idiot (moderators can punish me if they want but believing names have a correlation to criminal behavior deserves to have one be called an idiot). If you believe such is the case please show proof otherwise be quiet.



You are clearly lost. I didn't come up with these terms. Apparently, you've been living under a rock because these terms have been around from 2019 to the present. You fail at this debate with no actual rational defense to back up your grievances of the issue. If you cannot debate with facts please don't debate at all. Come with substantiated facts like me. Not only did you try and deflect with the whataboutism, but your deflection makes no sense whatsoever.

I would think the readers can see the similarities between your 'Karen' term and my theoretical 'Latisha' term for the black woman that falsely plays the victim claiming she is being mistreated because she is black.

What similar unflattering personal name do we currently have for blacks that correspond to any certain social ill pattern??

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Why are you bringing that up I was talking about social misbehavior and using a popular name to describe it.

You mentioned (which is not a part of this thread) about the disproportinate attacks of blacks against whites shall I remind you?

And how much disproportionate crime have blacks committed against whites?

This has nothing to do with this thread

I would think the readers can see the similarities between your 'Karen' term and my theoretical 'Latisha' term for the black woman that falsely plays the victim claiming she is being mistreated because she is black.

No. There is no similarity. True some women, in general, can falsely play the victim and use their victimhood and weaponize it to antagonize people. But the basis of this thread is to address not only the Wikipedia definition, but also the general understanding of the term. There are countless videos of some white women using the police to use as personal bodyguards. The main point is, is that the whole issue with Karens stems from historicl privilege. As I mentioned earlier authorities have been more likely to blame the cries and whims of white women than people of color. People have died behind it. People haven't died behind Latisha. In fact because a lot of African-Americans mistrust the legal system to protect them you'll hardly find any evidence of a historical foundation of black women using the police the way Karens have. I suggest you watch the following video:

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I highly suggest anyone who is challenging this thread if you're at the end please watch the following video:

 

[We Never Know]

Ok, prove it. You've postulated a claim you don't care about so care enough to substantiate your claim.

What is the origin of the word Karen?

A more pointed explanation, which involves race, is the expression originates among Black people to refer to unreasonable white women. The term was popularized on Black Twitter as a meme used to describe white women who "tattle on Black kids' lemonade stands" or who unleash the "violent history of White womanhood".

Karen (slang) - Wikipedia