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LaVeyan Satanism
- Thread starter VoidCat
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Nazis were productive but cruel. It is possible for socialism to be productive without being cruel.
Lots of great people were born into mediocre families.
Hillary and Billy Clinton lived in hillbilly country (Arkansas Ozarks). They accomplished great things.
Jimmy Carter had a dumb brother.
George H. W. Bush had a couple of idiot kids.
Einstein had numerous siblings.
FDR had polio and had extreme difficulty walking.
Eggs and sperm can be separated out to make blond and blue eyed kids. Does that make them superior? It sounds like Nazism.
Once everyone is blond and blue eyed....then what? How do we alter our species to make one person superior to another?
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I had to pause and laugh a little. I wonder how those kids turned out, whatever became of them?
He wasn't a Satanist...prolly most of us who
read the book aren't. But he was worse than
a Satanist...he was a Brit (ex-pat in USA).
Those guys are the worst...just ask @oldbadger.
Ella S.
Well-Known Member
LaVeyan Satanism was originally Pantheistic and believed in supernatural magic. Lucifer/Baphomet was chosen as the symbol because of its occult connections to Pantheism and its depiction as a Demiurge, while most occult systems were Panentheistic by contrast.
Those close to LaVey would go on to found the First Church of Satan and the Temple of Set after he began downplaying these elements of his religion for the sake of being more marketable. Modern LaVeyan Satanists outright deny that magic is supernatural or that Satan was ever supposed to be a deity in the Satanic Bible, but if you actually pay attention, the Satanic Bible itself argues against this purely naturalistic interpretation despite claiming to be a "carnal religion."
Michael W Ford essentially rehashes a less rational version of LaVey's Social Darwinism dressed with a total misunderstanding of Hermetic Qabalah from what I've seen. He also has ties to the Neo-Nazi terrorist organization, the Order of Nine Angles.
I'm sorry that this is so negative, but you asked for honest opinions and I don't have very many nice things to say about the works of these two.
Those close to LaVey would go on to found the First Church of Satan and the Temple of Set after he began downplaying these elements of his religion for the sake of being more marketable. Modern LaVeyan Satanists outright deny that magic is supernatural or that Satan was ever supposed to be a deity in the Satanic Bible, but if you actually pay attention, the Satanic Bible itself argues against this purely naturalistic interpretation despite claiming to be a "carnal religion."
Michael W Ford essentially rehashes a less rational version of LaVey's Social Darwinism dressed with a total misunderstanding of Hermetic Qabalah from what I've seen. He also has ties to the Neo-Nazi terrorist organization, the Order of Nine Angles.
I'm sorry that this is so negative, but you asked for honest opinions and I don't have very many nice things to say about the works of these two.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
We Brits always return borrowed books.
And the more humane of us never scorn disabilities.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
You must be one of the best examples of a Brit.
That means that most are even worse!
And worse yet....he worked in our defense industry!A Brit ex-pat in the middle of America!? The outrage! The inhumanity!
(He was a fellow flight control engineer at Northrop.)
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Michael W. Ford's association was with a nexion (name escapes me) which early on was entirely pagan/nature-oriented, very much like my association with the ONA ABG Lodge. Ford distanced himself after everything became fascist and bigoted.
MW Ford writes, these days, from an entirely Modern Luciferian perspective, nothing really aligned with LaVeyan Satanism. Dr. Aquino and the Temple of Set opposed the Church of Satan's atheistic views regarding the Prince of Darkness. Most of Aquino's writing during the CoS period came from a very theistic stance.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
The Nazis were absolutely terrible managers. They kept women out of the workforce for ideological reasons, wasted scarce resources and infrastructure on murdering their own civilian population, and even when the war was going absolutely downhill, would rather pursue "miracle" weapons research rather than expanding production of proven but scarce equipment and necessary supplies. There was also endemic corruption at all levels, as cronies were installed in positions of authority and given near-absolute power with minimal oversight due to the Führerprinzip ideology.
At the height of WW2, Nazi Germany maintained three distinct nuclear weapon programs, all competing for government funds. One of them (the one with the most promising theoretical foundation, in fact) was administered by the Reichspost, the German postal service, because the postal services were run by one of Hitler's cronies.
Ella S.
Well-Known Member
Irrelevant. He still spouts the same Social Darwinist rhetoric to this day. He hasn't changed.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
I have yet to read anything by Michael that pertains to Social Darwinism, maybe you could quote a few?
I've known Michael since the late '80s and he doesn't have a bigoted bone in his body.
VoidCat
Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
hey you right I wanted honest opinions. I wasn't just looking for positive answers
ONA was always a neo-Nazi group that promotes murder. I mean, come on - the year system they use is based from Hitler's birthdate. It was started by David Myatt, an infamous (now former) neo-Nazi who was in Combat 18. It was mostly likely started as a honey trap for violent fanatics, as Myatt most likely has intelligence ties (his bizarre biography fits the mold of a spook). Whether Ford himself personally held neo-Nazi views, I don't know, but that doesn't make him look innocent, for sure.
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EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
You're wrong. First off, ONA is different than O9A. The O9A are factions that do not follow the Sinister Protocol of the Order of Nine Angles. It is with the O9A where you find the racist, bigotry, and criminal activity. The ONA has nexions of which many are simply nature-based neopagan groups, like the one I used to be associated with ABG Lodge.
So no, LaVey and the original Church of Satan were not bigoted racists, neither was Dr. Aquino or the Temple of Set, Michael Ford is not either. You are just pushing misinformation for whatever agenda-driven reasons.
Satanists work with many disparate ideas (including unpopular ones) and interpret them as they may. Eugenics is generally considered to be an old-fashioned idea, but remember that Anton LaVey was born in 1930 and preferred mono over stereo.
Some people seem to take The Satanic Bible way too literally. The Church of Satan never promised to be totally undogmatic, but that's another thing that gets blown out of proportion.
Here's a disabled Satanist's perspective on "Might is Right":
The Disabled Satanist by Warlock Robert J. Leuthold - Church of Satan
Some people seem to take The Satanic Bible way too literally. The Church of Satan never promised to be totally undogmatic, but that's another thing that gets blown out of proportion.
Here's a disabled Satanist's perspective on "Might is Right":
The Disabled Satanist by Warlock Robert J. Leuthold - Church of Satan