LaVeyan Satanism

[Shadow Wolf]

I had to pause and laugh a little. I wonder how those kids turned out, whatever became of them?

Jeb!

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh well.... that explains it all.
He was a brave and intepid Brit 00- agent nicking all your secrets, and (probably?) spreading his dna.

He & I only had secret clearances. That didn't
really entitle us to see anything all that secret.
Mechanical flight controls were soon obsolete
anyway.
So you Brits essentially sent a spy to find out
all our secrets about how cables run over pulleys
to pull levers.

 

[oldbadger]

He & only had secret clearances. That didn't
really entitle us to see anything all that secret.
Mechanical flight controls were soon obsolete
anyway.
So you Brits essentially sent a spy to find out
all our secrets about how cables run over pulleys.

Oh yes..... that would figure, actually.

Talking of 00-s, for over a year hundreds of immigrant asylum seekers have been landing on our Kent Beaches from France. Our Home Secretary Priti Patel wanted to order authorities to catch up with them before landing and turn them back, inflatable boats, many of them full of families and children. So much for how female rulers could be more humane than males.

Now if it was you in charge, or me, we'd call for our 007s & 8s etc and we'd say to them 'Right you lot, you jump out of aeroplanes without parachutes and stuff, so so here's a really easy one for you, please pop over to France and find out where all these dangerous and dodgy inflatables are being made, who by, and who's flogging them to crowds of desperate people, many of them who supported our forces in foreign conflicts and then got dumped when we had to run away. Off you go!'

D'ya know.... I don't think we've got a 001-9 in the blooming country.

 

[Ella S.]

hey you right I wanted honest opinions. I wasn't just looking for positive answers

For the record, I have tons of respect for Demonolatry and Polytheistic Satanism, because they tend to have a lot more depth and their believers are earnest. I do still hold that a lot of "Qliphothic mysticism" dramatically misunderstands Hermetic Qabalah, though.

Luciferianism has some interesting figures, like Eliphas Levi, Ben Kadosh, and Alice Ann Bailey.

I'm a Sethian (not to be confused with Setian) and the Sethians themselves have sometimes been labelled Luciferians by heresiologists because the Sethians venerate the serpent in Eden and some (Ophites, Cainites) may have rejected Jesus as a servant of the Demiurge.

It's just LaVey and Ford that I think are sort of a waste of time.

 

[EtuMalku]

It has nothing to do with Satanic panic claims, which had to do with Satanists killing and raping people in rituals, usually children. Totally unrelated.

Again, your only defense is them being edgelords. Good luck with that.

Sure it does, you are one of the herds set against the Freedoms enabled by the LHP, we oppose your faith built on hate, fear, guilt, and shame . . . you do everything in your power to negate this Freedom and attempt to lure more adherents to your path of spiritual slavery.

 

[VoidCat]

Eliphas Levi, Ben Kadosh, and Alice Ann Bailey.

I should check some of these guys out

I'm a Sethian (not to be confused with Setian) and the Sethians themselves have sometimes been labelled Luciferians by heresiologists because the Sethians venerate the serpent in Eden and some (Ophites, Cainites) may have rejected Jesus as a servant of the Demiurge.

interesting...never knew that. another path for me to look up.

 

[EtuMalku]

Personally, I find 99% of the "Western LHP" to be philosophically, historically and morally/ethically vacuous. The "community" is overrun with scam artists, scumbags, narcissists and socio/psychopaths, too, along with the silly edgelords with their vulgar blasphemy and laughable death metal/black metal aesthetics. Everyone is always starting their own cult, excuse me - "order", usually making sure to charge lots of money and acting like they have some great knowledge to impart to their "elite" initiates (after they send the money in, of course). It's rather silly and immature. But what do you expect from people who worship their own ego. I never found spiritual solace from it. There's also really not that much to go on with the Satan figure, hence why they're always appropriating figures from other religions/cultures which have nothing to do with Satan - Prometheus, Set, Odin, Kali, (and most offensively) Meluk Taus, etc. I mean, I get it, but at least be honest.

Now, I will admit that there are possible strains of Satanism that can have some depth to them. Personally, I think Luciferianism has much potential, and it is essentially Pagan but even a Christian or Buddhist can find things in common with (to a Christian, Christ is the Light Bearer and as for Pagan deities, Apollo seems to fit the bill if you want something more positive in terms of a deity of spiritual light). The tragic anti-hero of Paradise Lost has much beauty to him and I can understand someone wishing to spiritually commune with such a being. Thelema is another "satanic" religion I have some respect for. Crowley was a drug addict, possibly insane and up to some nasty stuff, but he was a great thinker, occultist, artist, poet and real deal sorcerer. He makes LaVey look like a total fool, and he was ripping him off in a shoddy manner. As for the people, there's certainly individuals who are Satanists that I respect and am friends with. So I don't judge someone about that. But the "Satanic scene"? Huge problems with it.

CAN OF WORMS. I would gladly debate you on your inferior assessment regarding the LHP vs the RHP. You Will Lose without doubt.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

CAN OF WORMS. I would gladly debate you on your inferior assessment regarding the LHP vs the RHP. You Will Lose without doubt.

No, he wouldn't,because it is all subjective. He would just believe differently than you. Now of a general subjective standard of objectivity that is something else.
But as far as I can tell, you are one of those subjectivists, who confuses your subjectivity with objectivity.

 

[EtuMalku]

No, he wouldn't,because it is all subjective. He would just believe differently than you. Now of a general subjective standard of objectivity that is something else.
But as far as I can tell, you are one of those subjectivists, who confuses your subjectivity with objectivity.

"you are one of those subjectivists, who confuses your subjectivity with objectivity" You couldn't be more far off the mark.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

"you are one of those subjectivists, who confuses your subjectivity with objectivity" You couldn't be more far off the mark.

Yeah, then explain your understanding of subjective and objective. I am willing to learn.

 

[EtuMalku]

Yeah, then explain your understanding of subjective and objective. I am willing to learn.

If you are "willing to learn" as you claim then join the LHP DIR and I will gladly discuss this with you.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If you are "willing to learn" as you claim then join the LHP DIR and I will gladly discuss this with you.

Okay.

 

[crossfire]

I should check some of these guys out

Please make sure you have a large bag of rock salt handy when reading up on Theosophy, because taking it with a grain of salt is not sufficient, imo.

 

[VoidCat]

Please make sure you have a large bag of rock salt handy when reading up on Theosophy, because taking it with a grain of salt is not sufficient, imo.

Well I never heard of that in detail maybe in passing or of those people so at least I'd be informed even holding salt.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sure it does, you are one of the herds set against the Freedoms enabled by the LHP, we oppose your faith built on hate, fear, guilt, and shame . . . you do everything in your power to negate this Freedom and attempt to lure more adherents to your path of spiritual slavery.

CAN OF WORMS. I would gladly debate you on your inferior assessment regarding the LHP vs the RHP. You Will Lose without doubt.

Blah, blah, blah. Someone's butthurt. I don't give a **** what you believe, dude. I'm not here to convert anyone and I have dear friends who are Pagans, Buddhists, LHP, etc. and we all get along just fine. It's called being a respectful person and respecting that others have different beliefs. Meanwhile you have been shoving your narrow minded view of what the LHP is down everyone's throat for years in the LHP DIR. You exclude theists and you even have the nerve to try to write followers of Eastern LHP out of the dynamic they created in the first place! You've made many enemies on this board over the years due to your obnoxious and arrogant behaviour. In fact, you and I used to get along in the beginning but your said behavior ended that. I wouldn't put up with it anymore.

I have no desire to discuss anything with you anymore. You just come off as a ball of anger and bitterness and have for years. You're not a pleasant person to discuss anything with, and you are not interested in genuine debate or discussion. You have your cult's dogma to push on everyone and you aren't interested in considering anything outside of that. So I'm putting you on perma-ignore after this. Life is too short to spend it dealing with such negative people. I know I'll get reported for this. That's fine. I actually held back in a lot of ways. Some things need to be said.

And don't pretend that you are so free and content with your beliefs. You spent the holidays in bitterness, attacking Christians and their beliefs all over the board, obsessively. It was sad to witness. I felt pity on you.

I sincerely hope you find true freedom, which has obviously thus far eluded you. But that's not my problem and I don't have to subject myself to your nastiness any longer. But still - peace be with you.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

For the record, I have tons of respect for Demonolatry and Polytheistic Satanism, because they tend to have a lot more depth and their believers are earnest. I do still hold that a lot of "Qliphothic mysticism" dramatically misunderstands Hermetic Qabalah, though.

Luciferianism has some interesting figures, like Eliphas Levi, Ben Kadosh, and Alice Ann Bailey.

I'm a Sethian (not to be confused with Setian) and the Sethians themselves have sometimes been labelled Luciferians by heresiologists because the Sethians venerate the serpent in Eden and some (Ophites, Cainites) may have rejected Jesus as a servant of the Demiurge.

It's just LaVey and Ford that I think are sort of a waste of time.

I agree with you. Demonolatry, polytheistic Satanism and strains of Gnosticism seem to be the most theologically well-founded and authentic, if I may say so, versions of Satanism and the "Western LHP". If you want to get away from the "spooky white person" paradigm, you could go back to the Hindu and Buddhist LHP (which, admittedly, is difficult for an outsider to get into as it really requires a guru to train and initiate you. There's also the straight up black magic/sorcery of various Afro/Latin American religions, such as Palo Mayombe. Those people don't mess around, and are very serious black sorcerers. (Obviously as a Christian, I can't recommend it for fear of spiritual harm, but I'm just saying there's a whole world of real deal "devil worship" and sorcery that makes the LaVeyan garbage look quint. "Devil worship" is big in Latin America.) They're all far more historically legit, too, and weren't just made up in the mid 20th century.

 

[Ella S.]

I agree with you. Demonolatry, polytheistic Satanism and strains of Gnosticism seem to be the most theologically well-founded and authentic, if I may say so, versions of Satanism and the "Western LHP". If you want to get away from the "spooky white person" paradigm, you could go back to the Hindu and Buddhist LHP (which, admittedly, is difficult for an outsider to get into as it really requires a guru to train and initiate you. There's also the straight up black magic/sorcery of various Afro/Latin American religions, such as Palo Mayombe. Those people don't mess around, and are very serious black sorcerers. (Obviously as a Christian, I can't recommend it for fear of spiritual harm, but I'm just saying there's a whole world of real deal "devil worship" and sorcery that makes the LaVeyan garbage look quint. "Devil worship" is big in Latin America.) They're all far more historically legit, too, and weren't just made up in the mid 20th century.

I used to be really into Palo Mayombe and Quimbanda, which I never thought I could practice since I'm white, but I had a few friends of mine help introduce me to the practices.

Ultimately, they weren't for me, but I have a lot of respect for them. I did see a lot of Quimbanderos interact with Demonolatry circles, although it seems like a lot of Demonolatry now is mostly New Age eclectic Wicca now rather than European-based spirit work.

There's still some good stuff out there, though. In particular, I recommend "Quimbanda Goetia" by Carlos Antonio De Bourbon to anyone looking to genuinely go down that path.

 

[JustGeorge]

I used to be really into Palo Mayombe and Quimbanda, which I never thought I could practice since I'm white, but I had a few friends of mine help introduce me to the practices.

What's this? I haven't heard of these two practices.

 

[Ella S.]

What's this? I haven't heard of these two practices.

They're both African Diasporic traditions with Native American influence. I'm honestly not sure how much I'm allowed to say about Palo Mayombe, since it's somewhat initiatory, but I think at this point its concept of a spirit pot is fairly well-known and that's the center of its practice.

Quimbanda is a bit different, because it's heavily influenced by Parisian Diabolism and European black magic. While it has strong African roots above all else, you also see figures like Beelzebub and Lucifer pop up. It's centered around the cultivation of the Exus and Pomba Giras, who are powerful ancestral spirits from the land of the dead.

Whether you can be a solitary practitioner of Quimbanda or not is actually a subject of some controversy, but there are Quimbanda Houses willing to initiate you practically anywhere. It's sort of like Vodou where each House is a little bit different.

Both Palo and Quimbanda have a sort of Deist God figure that's seen as remote, with the spirits acting as intercessors on behalf of mankind. It's common for outsiders to view the spirits as amoral, but this isn't true at all. If anything, the spirits can be very strict in on justice and moral consequence, even figures like Exu Lucifer and Exu Belzebul whose names directly come from occult demons.

Given the heavy African and Native American influence, emphasis on morality, and the fact that the Exus tend to be seen as ancestral spirits, many Quimbanderos do not consider themselves Satanists or a part of the Left-Hand Path, but there is some overlap. The Templo de Quimbanda Maioral Beelzebuth e Exu Pantera Negra, for instance, is a Quimbanda House that has dipped into Anticosmic Satanism. Some Quimbanderos also often frequent forums for black magic and demonolatry.

 

[JustGeorge]

They're both African Diasporic traditions with Native American influence. I'm honestly not sure how much I'm allowed to say about Palo Mayombe, since it's somewhat initiatory, but I think at this point its concept of a spirit pot is fairly well-known and that's the center of its practice.

Quimbanda is a bit different, because it's heavily influenced by Parisian Diabolism and European black magic. While it has strong African roots above all else, you also see figures like Beelzebub and Lucifer pop up. It's centered around the cultivation of the Exus and Pomba Giras, who are powerful ancestral spirits from the land of the dead.

Whether you can be a solitary practitioner of Quimbanda or not is actually a subject of some controversy, but there are Quimbanda Houses willing to initiate you practically anywhere. It's sort of like Vodou where each House is a little bit different.

Both Palo and Quimbanda have a sort of Deist God figure that's seen as remote, with the spirits acting as intercessors on behalf of mankind. It's common for outsiders to view the spirits as amoral, but this isn't true at all. If anything, the spirits can be very strict in on justice and moral consequence, even figures like Exu Lucifer and Exu Belzebul whose names directly come from occult demons.

Given the heavy African and Native American influence, emphasis on morality, and the fact that the Exus tend to be seen as ancestral spirits, many Quimbanderos do not consider themselves Satanists or a part of the Left-Hand Path, but there is some overlap. The Templo de Quimbanda Maioral Beelzebuth e Exu Pantera Negra, for instance, is a Quimbanda House that has dipped into Anticosmic Satanism. Some Quimbanderos also often frequent forums for black magic and demonolatry.

Thanks for the very informative reply!