LaVeyan Satanism

[Saint Frankenstein]

You're wrong. First off, ONA is different than O9A. The O9A are factions that do not follow the Sinister Protocol of the Order of Nine Angles. It is with the O9A where you find the racist, bigotry, and criminal activity. The ONA has nexions of which many are simply nature-based neopagan groups, like the one I used to be associated with ABG Lodge.

So no, LaVey and the original Church of Satan were not bigoted racists, neither was Dr. Aquino or the Temple of Set, Michael Ford is not either. You are just pushing misinformation for whatever agenda-driven reasons.

O9A is just another way of saying ONA. It's the same thing. Some newer nexions may try to leave out or redact all the violent Nazism. Maybe. I don't know. That's the benefit of the doubt and perhaps they don't even deserve that. There's not much left in the ONA's ideology if you leave out the human sacrifice (murder of mundanes), terrorism, nihilism, the goal of Nazi Aryan supermen colonizing the galaxy ("Homo Galacticus" ), etc. I've had multiple run ins with many ONA psychopaths, including the convicted criminal pedophile neo-Nazi and wannabe terrorist, Ryan Fleming, who has been in and out of prison (he was even on here a while back when the ONA trolls attempted to take over the LHP DIR before the staff caught on and banned them all, along with any promotion of it).

Order of Nine Angles - An Incubator of Terrorism. State of Hate 2020

I've more than proven that the CoS, LaVey, Aquino, Gilmore, etc. were/are racists, Nazi enthusiasts, supported and worked with open neo-Nazis (and murderers, but that's another topic). Your response merely amounts to "nuh uh!" with nothing to support it, like you can just gaslight everyone. I've no "agenda". I just posted verifiable facts, and there's actually a lot more I could post. Oh, that was just the tip of the iceberg. Don't make me break out the scans from old issues of the Black Flame where Anton and Peter were openly glorifying James Mason's horrific " Siege" book (which was reprinted by another CoS member, the neo-fascist Michael Moynihan, with the approval of Gilmore) and Anton praising Fascism and being a racist. There's even more than that. Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[EtuMalku]

O9A is just another way of saying ONA. It's the same thing. Some newer nexions may try to leave out or redact all the violent Nazism. Maybe. I don't know. That's the benefit of the doubt and perhaps they don't even deserve that. There's not much left in the ONA's ideology if you leave out the human sacrifice (murder of mundanes), terrorism, nihilism, the goal of Nazi Aryan supermen colonizing the galaxy ("Homo Galacticus" ), etc. I've had multiple run ins with many ONA psychopaths, including the convicted criminal pedophile neo-Nazi and wannabe terrorist, Ryan Fleming, who is currently in prison (he was even on here a while back when the ONA trolls attempted to take over the LHP DIR before the staff caught on and banned them all, along with any promotion of it).

Order of Nine Angles - An Incubator of Terrorism. State of Hate 2020

I've more than proven that the CoS, LaVey, Aquino, Gilmore, etc. were/are racists, Nazi enthusiasts, supported and worked with open neo-Nazis (and murderers, but that's another topic). Your response merely amounts to "nuh uh!" with nothing to support it, like you can just gaslight everyone. I've no "agenda". I just posted verifiable facts, and there's actually a lot more I could post. Oh, that was just the tip of the iceberg. Don't make me break out the scans from old issues of the Black Flame where Anton and Peter were openly glorifying James Mason's horrific " Siege" book (which was reprinted by another CoS member, the neo-fascist Michael Moynihan, with the approval of Gilmore) and Anton praising Fascism and being a racist. There's even more than that. Don't shoot the messenger.

So, you've never been in LaVey's Church of Satan, but you know all about it, never been in the Temple of Set (I have) and you know all about them, never associated with ONA (I have worked with the ABG Lodge) and you also know all about them.

Right . . . LOL your just regurgitating the same pop-occulture misinformation that is splattered all over the internet, youtube, and stupid social media platforms. You have no real inside understanding in regards to LaVey, Aquino, and ONA.

 

[EtuMalku]

O9A is just another way of saying ONA. It's the same thing. Some newer nexions may try to leave out or redact all the violent Nazism. Maybe. I don't know. That's the benefit of the doubt and perhaps they don't even deserve that. There's not much left in the ONA's ideology if you leave out the human sacrifice (murder of mundanes), terrorism, nihilism, the goal of Nazi Aryan supermen colonizing the galaxy ("Homo Galacticus" ), etc. I've had multiple run ins with many ONA psychopaths, including the convicted criminal pedophile neo-Nazi and wannabe terrorist, Ryan Fleming, who has been in and out of prison (he was even on here a while back when the ONA trolls attempted to take over the LHP DIR before the staff caught on and banned them all, along with any promotion of it).

Order of Nine Angles - An Incubator of Terrorism. State of Hate 2020

I've more than proven that the CoS, LaVey, Aquino, Gilmore, etc. were/are racists, Nazi enthusiasts, supported and worked with open neo-Nazis (and murderers, but that's another topic). Your response merely amounts to "nuh uh!" with nothing to support it, like you can just gaslight everyone. I've no "agenda". I just posted verifiable facts, and there's actually a lot more I could post. Oh, that was just the tip of the iceberg. Don't make me break out the scans from old issues of the Black Flame where Anton and Peter were openly glorifying James Mason's horrific " Siege" book (which was reprinted by another CoS member, the neo-fascist Michael Moynihan, with the approval of Gilmore) and Anton praising Fascism and being a racist. There's even more than that. Don't shoot the messenger.

Who was Anton being racial towards, please don't say Jews . . . he's JEWISH!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So, you've never been in LaVey's Church of Satan, but you know all about it, never been in the Temple of Set (I have) and you know all about them, never associated with ONA (I have worked with the ABG Lodge) and you also know all about them.

Right . . . LOL your just regurgitating the same pop-occulture misinformation that is splattered all over the internet, youtube, and stupid social media platforms. You have no real inside understanding in regards to LaVey, Aquino, and ONA.

Why would I want to join such sick, corrupt and sociopathic groups, with all that I know? You actually don't have to join groups to learn about them, you know. It's all out there. Again, I came with verifiable information. You came with nothing.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Who was Anton being racial towards, please don't say Jews . . . he's JEWISH!

Self-hating Jews are a thing, you know. There's been Jewish neo-Nazis. He surrounded himself with neo-Nazis and neo-fascists for much of his life, and talked the talk just as much as them.

I already posted this:
https://twitter.com/heresysquad/status/1371934577535680512?t=IOAMH0lvMsdnjACXIpaJ8Q&s=19

 

[EtuMalku]

Why would I want to join such sick, corrupt and sociopathic groups, with all that I know? You actually don't have to join groups to learn about them, you know. It's all out there. Again, I came with verifiable information. You came with nothing.

I did say I wouldn't waste my time with you . . . I should have kept my promise, I already have spent more time than I should have with you.

You're wrong with your assessment of all of this. But, keep pushing your agenda, say it enough and people will believe you.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I did say I wouldn't waste my time with you . . . I should have kept my promise, I already have spent more time than I should have with you.

You're wrong with your assessment of all of this. But, keep pushing your agenda, say it enough and people will believe you.

Well, when you come with facts and not just "nuh uh!", it makes sense that people would believe you. It's not as if I started out with these opinions of the CoS, ToS and ONA. I gave them a chance. I bought my copies of the Satanic Bible and the Satanic Rituals, as an honest seeker drawn towards Satanism, years ago. I was very involved with and befriended most of the main figures of the Satanic scene online, too. But I researched, and interacted, and the things I found out made me go "no, thanks". Again, it's all fact. It's all documented. Nothing I've said here is an anecdote (like what you're rather half-assedly offering) or made up. These are real pictures, videos, scans, etc. You can't possibly refute them. It's their very own words and deeds. It's no "agenda", just documentation.

Run along, now. You have nothing to offer, anyway.

 

[Left Coast]

Michael Aquino, 1983, in his book, The Church of Satan, p. 367-368:

As for the rest of the world, struggling to extricate itself from the depths of the Great Depression, it couldn’t help viewing Germany’s phenomenal economic recovery with awe, if not outright admiration. Nazi Germany seemed to have ten times the energy of any other country, and no one could understand why.
The keys are there for those who can read them. They are spelled out in extraordinary detail in the most obvious place: Mein Kampf. It is in vogue today to say that Mein Kampf is boring, disorganized, illogical, and unreadable. This is true - for minds conditioned to the platitudes of egalitarianism. A first-grader wouldn’t get very far with a textbook on atomic physics either.
Mein Kampf is a political Satanic Bible. For control of mass movements of human beings, it is far more important than anything ever written by Jefferson, Locke, Marx, Lenin, or Kissinger.
...
When you read Mein Kampf as a political textbook, however, you must mentally eliminate the dependence upon anti-Semitism which pops up now and then.
...
Today’s legacy of Nazi Germany is one of horror and loathing, primarily because of Auschwitz and the other extermination camps....Study of Nazi Germany is sanctioned only if one dutifully proceeds on the precept that it
was a nightmare. In terms of the extermination camps, of course, it was.
We are fortunate that the Auschwitz taboo prevents people from looking too closely at the rest of Nazi Germany, or from experimenting with any of its regular governmental doctrines. Because
they work. They are the essence of true political power. Anti-Semitism is irrelevant to them.
When analyzing the history of Nazi Germany, the anti-Semitism cannot be ignored. When applying the political principles of Mein Kampf to present and future situations, it must be.
...
If an American Führer does appear, he won’t be wearing a uniform with a swastika armband. He will wear a business suit, and he will be calling popular attention to the patriotic virtues of 1776.

So basically he's arguing for fascism sans anti-semitism.

Yikes.

 

[EtuMalku]

Well, when you come with facts and not just "nuh uh!", it makes sense that people would believe you. It's not as if I started out with these opinions of the CoS, ToS and ONA. I gave them a chance. I bought my copies of the Satanic Bible and the Satanic Rituals, as an honest seeker drawn towards Satanism, years ago. I was very involved with and befriended most of the main figures of the Satanic scene online, too. But I researched, and interacted, and the things I found out made me go "no, thanks". Again, it's all fact. It's all documented. Nothing I've said here is an anecdote (like what you're rather half-assedly offering) or made up. These are real pictures, videos, scans, etc. You can't possibly refute them. It's their very own words and deeds. It's no "agenda", just documentation.

Run along, now. You have nothing to offer, anyway.

Do you know why Dr. Aquino chose Wewelsberg Castle for his infamous Working? Probably not. Aquino’s use of the Wewelsburg Castle “violated moral and secular prohibitions”, to attain “dangerous and unwelcome knowledge”. This is antinomian magic at its finest.

 

[Left Coast]

On the other hand, p. 74:

Fascism is more or less synonymous with totalitarianism, i.e. a political system requiring strict adherence to proclaimed doctrine. Nothing could be more repellent to the Satanist! In effect fascism is merely the repressive dogmatism of theist churches removed to a secular setting. As such it would be irreconcilable with Satanism, which advocates unrestrained enjoyment of human freedom.
Two theorists I might recommend to the Satanic student are Johann Fichte and Georg Hegel.
Fichte, an 18th-century German metaphysician, authored the theory of subjective idealism, an elaboration upon Berkeley’s more theist-oriented idealism. Central to Fichte’s thesis is the contention that mind is a continually creative and evolving entity, generating the various features of the external world. This is simply the antithesis to materialism. Fichte’s philosophy is further differentiated from simple solipsism - which portrays the Universe as just “my self, my mind, and its ideas” - by hypothesizing a more impersonal ego, a creative agency from whom each individual mind is derivative (an idea closely akin to our concept of Satan).
Hegel’s philosophy is a more pragmatic, less ethereal variation upon this same theme, contending that the Universe can only be understood in terms of an objective or absolute mind, which has been evolving throughout the world’s history into a transcendent, self-contained being.
All historical events, according to Hegel, represent the inner struggle of this absolute to achieve complete self-realization, the process of this struggle being Hegel’s famous thesis/antithesis-synthesis sequence. Hegel’s original dialectic idealism should not be confused with Marx’ dialectic materialism, which is quite unSatanic and indeed adaptable to fascist/totalitarian doctrine.

And p. 595:

Well, is the Church of Satan neo-Nazi? This question is one which has preoccupied
more than one member. Either we are - and are consequently on a collision course with Western liberalism - or we aren’t, and, like it or not, there is some sense of anticlimax.
Sorry, but the Hoof isn’t going to make it all that easy for you to place the Church in a
mold; we harbor some ideas about the Nazis that shade the issue more than you may have thought...
Almost every historian of the Third Reich feels morally obliged to condemn the entire period as being some sort of national disease. It was a freakish aberration, but we eventually squashed it, so now the world can get on with civilized normalcy.
The Hoof begs to differ. The true message of the episode is simply that there was
nothing in the Nazi philosophy that conflicts with the basic desires of the human personality. Accordingly attempts to moralize at the Nazis’ expense are unrealistic. Worse than that, they are dangerous in that they breed an unmerited complacency in contemporary civilization...
But the Nazi idealists made the fatal error of applying their emotional desires to the entire range of statistical science - mathematics, biology, genetics, architecture, physics, economics, and the
like.
Accordingly they lost their Einsteins, and those scientists and scholars who did remain in the country were severely hampered in their respective pursuits by the requirement that their doctrines and principles conform to Nazi orthodoxy. Fantasia can be desirable to counterbalance the ego-dulling effects of pure materialism, but the introduction of
irrationality into science will cause an instantaneous breakdown of experimental validity. Carried over into government and law, subjective idealism produces anarchy, despotism, and ultimately totalitarianism.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Do you know why Dr. Aquino chose Wewelsberg Castle for his infamous Working? Probably not. Aquino’s use of the Wewelsburg Castle “violated moral and secular prohibitions”, to attain “dangerous and unwelcome knowledge”. This is antinomian magic at its finest.

So your only defense is that he was being an edgelord. Lol. Still a Nazi admirer.

 

[EtuMalku]

So your only defense is that he was being an edgelord. Lol.

This is why I'd rather not spend time on you. You can't possibly be this ignorant, if you read and researched what you say you did.

 

[EtuMalku]

Self-hating Jews are a thing, you know. There's been Jewish neo-Nazis. He surrounded himself with neo-Nazis and neo-fascists for much of his life, and talked the talk just as much as them.

I already posted this:
https://twitter.com/heresysquad/status/1371934577535680512?t=IOAMH0lvMsdnjACXIpaJ8Q&s=19

LOL . . . a Twitter post? I knew I shouldn't have looked at that link . . . how moronic.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This is why I'd rather not spend time on you. You can't possibly be this ignorant, if you read and researched what you say you did.

It's called trying to justify it to fool the rubes. Do you know what an admirer is? Obviously he admired them if he did all that and wanted to learn some "secret" knowledge they had. Anton's love affair with Nazism/Fascism and his racism are far more documented, though, but doesn't make Aquino totally innocent. (I think Aquino was intelligent than LaVey, although he was still a weirdo and con man who started his own cult.)

 

[JustGeorge]

But I researched, and interacted, and the things I found out made me go "no, thanks".

I assume bigotry was one of these things... was there any other factors that contributed to you laying this path aside?

(Just curious.)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

LOL . . . a Twitter post? I knew I shouldn't have looked at that link . . . how moronic.

Yeah, because a message board is much different from Twitter. I recall you being on Facebook, too. Hypocrisy much?

Keep your head in the sand. I don't care. It's all documented facts, once again.

 

[EtuMalku]

Yeah, because a message board is much different from Twitter. I recall you being on Facebook, too. Hypocrisy much?

Keep your head in the sand. I don't care. It's all documented facts, once again.

It's hearsay and all part of today's Satanic Panic which you are pushing in your own indirect way. You don't understand antomianism and dissent on the LHP, how it works in the practices and such. You only see the tip but you fool others into thinking you've seen the whole iceberg.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It's hearsay and all part of today's Satanic Panic which you are pushing in your own indirect way. You don't understand antomianism and dissent on the LHP, how it works in the practices and such. You only see the tip but you fool others into thinking you've seen the whole iceberg.

It has nothing to do with Satanic panic claims, which had to do with Satanists killing and raping people in rituals, usually children. Totally unrelated.

Again, your only defense is them being edgelords. Good luck with that.

 

[VoidCat]

Michael Aquino, 1983, in his book, The Church of Satan, p. 367-368:



So basically he's arguing for fascism sans anti-semitism.

Yikes.

yikes indeed...had no idea of that

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I assume bigotry was one of these things... was there any other factors that contributed to you laying this path aside?

(Just curious.)

Personally, I find 99% of the "Western LHP" to be philosophically, historically and morally/ethically vacuous. The "community" is overrun with scam artists, scumbags, narcissists and socio/psychopaths, too, along with the silly edgelords with their vulgar blasphemy and laughable death metal/black metal aesthetics. Everyone is always starting their own cult, excuse me - "order", usually making sure to charge lots of money and acting like they have some great knowledge to impart to their "elite" initiates (after they send the money in, of course). It's rather silly and immature. But what do you expect from people who worship their own ego. I never found spiritual solace from it. There's also really not that much to go on with the Satan figure, hence why they're always appropriating figures from other religions/cultures which have nothing to do with Satan - Prometheus, Set, Odin, Kali, (and most offensively) Meluk Taus, etc. I mean, I get it, but at least be honest.

Now, I will admit that there are possible strains of Satanism that can have some depth to them. Personally, I think Luciferianism has much potential, and it is essentially Pagan but even a Christian or Buddhist can find things in common with (to a Christian, Christ is the Light Bearer and as for Pagan deities, Apollo seems to fit the bill if you want something more positive in terms of a deity of spiritual light). The tragic anti-hero of Paradise Lost has much beauty to him and I can understand someone wishing to spiritually commune with such a being. Thelema is another "satanic" religion I have some respect for. Crowley was a drug addict, possibly insane and up to some nasty stuff, but he was a great thinker, occultist, artist, poet and real deal sorcerer. He makes LaVey look like a total fool, and he was ripping him off in a shoddy manner. As for the people, there's certainly individuals who are Satanists that I respect and am friends with. So I don't judge someone about that. But the "Satanic scene"? Huge problems with it.

 

[oldbadger]

And worse yet....he worked in our defense industry!
(He was a fellow flight control engineer at Northrop.)

Oh well.... that explains it all.
He was a brave and intepid Brit 00- agent nicking all your secrets, and (probably?) spreading his dna.