Leaving Christianity

[TransmutingSoul]

Matthew 7:24-27 does not discuss what the foundations were, he talks about on what the foundations were built: Rock vs Sand

because it had its foundation on the rock ... vs ... built his house on sand.​

But you knew that, didn't you.

The questions are simple.

What foundations were the Pyramids Built Upon?

What happened to any that were built on sand?

Regards Tony

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The questions are simple.

What foundations were the Pyramids Built Upon?

What happened to any that were built on sand?

Regards Tony

No religion is built on sand.

Anyone who makes a claim of someone else's foundation as false: christian, atheist, bahai or otherwise probably need to work on their own foundations. Religions based on duality kinda make progress kinda backwards. Two steps up and one step down, I guess.

 

[Trackdayguy]

Nobody knows who first wrote down the oral stories collected in the bible, and no one knows who precisely started the Christian religion......But nonetheless, that does not matter. If you are in some manner a follower of "the Christ", then you would fall under that ever-widening umbrella of Christianity. I guess it's just semantics at this point, anyway, though.

Actually we do.

 

[Trackdayguy]

Jesus came as a messenger from God with a message for all people, the Romans turned that message into a religion, that has controlled and shamed people for over 2000 years. Jesus and Christianity have nothing to do with each other. Bahá'u'lláh also came as a messenger from God same spirit as Christ. The primary difference is the Bahai faith embraces all people regardless of religion.

 

[Vinayaka]

Bahá'u'lláh also came as a messenger from God same spirit as Christ. The primary difference is the Bahai faith embraces all people regardless of religion.

On the surface, that may appear to be true. I would urge you to dig deeper. At one time I suspected the same, but then I had a very very lengthy dialogue with several Bahai folks here on this forum over several months, and discovered quite the contrary. But continue merrily on, lol. Tolerance MY WAY is still intolerance.

 

[ecco]

From your link: (my emphases)

...They must be treated, educated, trained and assisted in love. Everything must be done in order that all humanity may live under the shadow of God in the utmost security, in happiness of the highest type.

Those are the same beliefs and sentiments of...

Hebrews trying to spread their word to their entire world.
Early Christians trying to spread the word to their entire world.
Mohammed trying to spread Islam to his entire world.
Crusaders trying to spread Christianity into the Middle East.
That's not different than the Conquistadors trying to spread Christianity into South America.
Luther toward the Jews.
"Americans" forcing Indian children into Christian schools.​

Same old religious BS: Just Unite under Me and My God and Live Happily Ever After.​

Regards Tony[/QUOTE]

I think you’re referring to disobedience to religion rather than religion ...

No. I was very specifically and very clearly referring to the words of one of your religious leaders. On which I commented : Same old religious BS: Just Unite under Me and My God and Live Happily Ever After.

 

[ecco]

What happened in the past will never happen again. History will never repeat itself. This is a New Day of God, a New Age of mankind. All the rules have changed.

Really?

• Just like when Jesus ushered in a New Age of mankind.
• Just like when Mohammed ushered in a New Age of mankind.
• Just like when Martin Luther ushered in a New Age of mankind.
• Just like when Joseph Smith ushered in a New Age of mankind.

If you truly believe "History will never repeat itself", you have a very poor understanding of history in general and history of religion in particular.

It helps to look and then you would see. When people employ the Fallacy of Hasty Generalization and confirmation bias they never bother to look and then they never see that a New Era has dawned upon humanity. Life upon this planet will never be the same again. Just look around and see all the changes taking place in the world... Do you think that is by mere accident? No, it was God’s doing.

Yeah.

We now have cars and planes and decent medicine and we had men on the moon. Was that god or Ford and the Wright Bros and Salk and Armstrong?

God didn't create the telephone or the television or computers or the internet.
God didn't devise ways to do heart and kidney and lung transplants.
God doesn't provide warnings about hurricanes and tornadoes or tsunamis.

It's man's progress despite the aversion of many people to science because of the hold religion has on them.

 

[ecco]

The questions are simple.

What foundations were the Pyramids Built Upon?

What happened to any that were built on sand?

Regards Tony

Is it really that difficult for you to understand very simple writing?

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
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24...built his house upon a rock
26...built his house upon the sand

M-7 does not discuss how the houses were built, it does not discuss what the foundations of the houses are. It discusses UPON WHAT the houses were built.

The pyramids were built upon the sand, they still stand.

If you want to make the case that Matthew's choice of wording was poor, well - OK.

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[TransmutingSoul]

No religion is built on sand.

Anyone who makes a claim of someone else's foundation as false: christian, atheist, bahai or otherwise probably need to work on their own foundations. Religions based on duality kinda make progress kinda backwards. Two steps up and one step down, I guess.

Hello Carlita. It is not Religion we are talking about currently with this passage. It is the Faith of each individual that this passage was quoted for.

You can trace it back to the comment that sparked the reply.

Hope you are well. Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The pyramids were built upon the sand, they still stand.

I asked simple questions that you could confirm your statement.

Regards Tony

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I mean, I promise to read that one if y'all will read this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Thief-...3312260&sr=8-1&keywords=if+jesus+is+the+thief

 

[ecco]

...The primary difference is the Bahai faith embraces all people regardless of religion.

Embraces?

Bahá'í Reference Library - Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, Pages 158-160 (my emphasis)

At most it is this: some do not know, they must be guided and trained. … Some are ignorant, they must be informed. Some are as children, they must be helped to reach maturity. Some are ailing, their moral condition is bad, they must be treated until their morals are purified. But the sick man is not to be hated because he is sick; the child must not be shunned because he is a child, the ignorant one is not to be despised because he lacks knowledge. They must be treated, educated, trained and assisted in love. Everything must be done in order that all humanity may live under the shadow of God in the utmost security, in happiness of the highest type.
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It sounds more like your religion wants to put a stranglehold on them.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I mean, I promise to read that one if y'all will read this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Thief-...3312260&sr=8-1&keywords=if+jesus+is+the+thief

All of Gods Word is free of charge and available. If one was motivated in any way to read from it, would they have not already pursued the reading of?

Hope you are well regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It sounds more like your religion wants to put a stranglehold on them.

So guided in the Love of God is obviously an issue for you? Why is that so?

Regards Tony

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Hello Carlita. It is not Religion we are talking about currently with this passage. It is the Faith of each individual that this passage was quoted for.

You can trace it back to the comment that sparked the reply.

Hope you are well. Regards Tony

Not everyones faith is on sand

You know me. I dont like seeing people make comments about othere in relationsbip tp themselves. Regardless the subjecto.

 

[Milton Platt]

Actually we do.

Actually you don't. And if you did, it wouldn't matter much, because they were passed around orally for quite some time before that, so the origin is truly unknown.

 

[Milton Platt]

Not everyones faith is on sand

You know me. I dont like seeing people make comments about othere in relationsbip tp themselves. Regardless the subjecto.

I tend to think that faith is simply believing in something for which one does not have sufficient evidence to justify the belief. If one has sufficient evidence, then faith is no longer required.....
Sorry for jumping into the conversation....

 

[Trackdayguy]

Faith isn't a leap in the dark it's a trust that is based on a belief that is reinforced by ones personal experience. Just as you you have faith/trust in the braking system in your car. "The man with the experience has got the legs on a man who only has an argument"

 

[loverofhumanity]

Regards Tony

No. I was very specifically and very clearly referring to the words of one of your religious leaders. On which I commented : Same old religious BS: Just Unite under Me and My God and Live Happily Ever After.[/QUOTE]

It’s not about the glorification of the religious leaders but the living of a saintly and virtuous life.

Would humanity not live happily ever after if we all followed the teaching of Christ to love one another in our lives and deeds?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Not everyones faith is on sand

You know me. I dont like seeing people make comments about othere in relationsbip tp themselves. Regardless the subjecto.

I also did not suggest every persons Faith is on sand.

The Bible does offer that advice for a reason.

Rehards Tony