Left Hand Path?

[Liu]

If I haven't, over the last few years, presented more philosophy and definition of what the WLHP is and is not than any other person . . . I give up.

You have presented definitions, not proofs, dogmatic axioms of your philosophy, not arguments.

 

[Liu]

I must admit to being mysified by the usage of LHP in the West — I understand what it means in Hinduism.

Those who emphasise the importance of self-development could be describing most polytheism. If followers of Odin are LHP, then what of followers of Zeus? Nor was the worship of Set seen as anomalous in Ancient Egypt, where he was regarded as their patron deity by the Ramessid dynasty. Reading the web-sites of theistic satanists, I feel much more at home theologically than I  do with Wiccans.

Historically, the terms LHP and RHP were introduced in the West by Blavatsky, who contrasted her "respectable" RHP magic with the old "demonic" LHP of the grimoires. Even Crowley claimed to be RHP, I believe. The positive use of LHP started in my life-time (although that goes back some way!)

Yeah, the term went through quite some semantic shifts and accumulated so many definitions that I consider it basically meaningless by now. But it's still a nice shorthand for referring to a group of related spiritual paths that are similar only by family resemblance, not by hard criteria.

 

[EtuMalku]

You have presented definitions, not proofs, dogmatic axioms of your philosophy, not arguments.

Proof, like what?

 

[Liu]

Proof, like what?

Do I really need to spoonfeed you? Well, already put more effort in this than it was worth, but well, in the hope that I can end what I started...

Proof for your claims to which I asked for proofs.

One example: Regarding your claim of historic Odinism being LHP you only pointed me to a book (not even a specific chapter of it even when I asked) and some unnamed other people. I do intend to re-read that book one day anyway (no sure whether I read it in fully yet) but you could have been more specific.
When I then told you why it seems unlikely to me that this claim of the book holds true (namely having read many Old Norse texts in the original myself) you only replied that I must have read the wrong ones. So either you have read the "correct" ones yourself and are just too lazy to give me more detailed information on which ones those would be, or you at least have seen them mentioned in Flowers' book (both of which options you then could have mentioned), or you simply trusted his word and continue to do so even when confronted with facts that while not proving the opposite at least indicate it.

 

[EtuMalku]

Do I really need to spoonfeed you? Well, already put more effort in this than it was worth, but well, in the hope that I can end what I started...

Proof for your claims to which I asked for proofs.

One example: Regarding your claim of historic Odinism being LHP you only pointed me to a book (not even a specific chapter of it even when I asked) and some unnamed other people. I do intend to re-read that book one day anyway (no sure whether I read it in fully yet) but you could have been more specific.
When I then told you why it seems unlikely to me that this claim of the book holds true (namely having read many Old Norse texts in the original myself) you only replied that I must have read the wrong ones. So either you have read the "correct" ones yourself and are just too lazy to give me more detailed information on which ones those would be, or you at least have seen them mentioned in Flowers' book (both of which options you then could have mentioned), or you simply trusted his word and continue to do so even when confronted with facts that while not proving the opposite at least indicate it.

Talk about wanting to be spoonfed . . . LMAO, you have enough information, do the Work.

 

[Liu]

Talk about wanting to be spoonfed . . . LMAO, you have enough information, do the Work.

And I'm not getting it from you it seems. Very helpful, I guess I got a lesson in don't expect too much from others...
As I said, busy with other reading at the moment and not going to re-arrange my book-pile for some likely unsubstantiated claims, proof for which might not even be found in the book in question. And that was merely one example, for your other claims you didn't even point me to where to find the information, or if you did I already looked there and didn't find it.

Well, I hope for you that you are merely trolling me. Until further actual content gets added to this thread, I'm out, already wasted enough time on this.

 

[EtuMalku]

And I'm not getting it from you it seems. Very helpful, I guess I got a lesson in don't expect too much from others...

Don't expect too much from certain people, that would be a more precise expectation. The WLHP philosophy behind Wodinism is a long story and one that I am not prepared to explain to someone who really doesn't care. It is something that I spend the time discussing and extrapolating on within our Mercuræn order.

As I said, busy with other reading at the moment and not going to re-arrange my book-pile for some likely unsubstantiated claims, proof for which might not even be found in the book in question. And that was merely one example, for your other claims you didn't even point me to where to find the information, or if you did I already looked there and didn't find it.

Like most of what I talk about in this forum, this concept is not found in one book on a single page, but from the past 30+ years of my 57 spent learning, studying, researching and Working within certain organizations and the such.