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legalization of Marijuana

what should be done?

  • Legalize it! Go NORML!

    Votes: 35 64.8%
  • Decriminalize it. No more than a speeding ticket.

    Votes: 8 14.8%
  • only for medicinal uses

    Votes: 9 16.7%
  • Come on didn't you see Reefer Madness? It's evil! arrest all hippies!

    Votes: 2 3.7%

  • Total voters
    54

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Mr_Spinkles said:
The real issue at hand is, should stupidity be legalized?
Exactly. Fruballs (If I'm allowed to). Mr Spinkles, I'd like to thank you again for those links; I've sent them to my son - but no doubt, he'll say something absurd in return.:(
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Again, to Mr Spinkles -Talking of stupidity, Have you seen the poll results ?:(
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
Spinkles, I meant besides the effects on your lungs. Inhaling anything will do that, however, including inscence, or scented candles (to a small degree).

Effects on the mind, however? None. No lasting effects on the mind, besides a beneficial one.

And that's not the point anyway. The point is that even if it is harmful, it should be legal.
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
Spinkles, I meant besides the effects on your lungs. Inhaling anything will do that, however, including inscence, or scented candles (to a small degree).
In fact, I bet my walks through the streets of China did more damage to my lungs than smoking (either tobacco or marijuana, neither of which I do smoke) would have in an equal amount of time. They were smoggy as hell!
 

Cr0wley

More Human Than Human
michel said:
Again, to Mr Spinkles -Talking of stupidity, Have you seen the poll results ?:(
I have to dissagree with you there. It's not stupidity, I just think that keeping it illegal it causing more problems than it's solving...

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anders

Well-Known Member
Cr0wley said:
No offence, but are you sure that it wasn't him "acting high"?
I'm perfectly sure he wasn't acting. I don't know what you mean by "acting high", but his opinions and some of his acting was just too irregular. That was when we both were in our compulsory military service, so he had every reason to try to act normal. He managed rather well, but all of us in the platoon kept an extra eye on him during dangerous exercises like shooting or building bridges.

And it's well known that mental effects may appear even after discontinuing use.
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
And it's well known that mental effects may appear even after discontinuing use.
Well known, or just spread by people who like it to seem that way?

1. Marijuana causes brain damage

The most celebrated study that claims to show brain damage
is the rhesus monkey study of Dr. Robert Heath, done in the late
1970s. This study was reviewed by a distinguished panel of
scientists sponsored by the Institute of Medicine and the
National Academy of Sciences. Their results were published under
the title, Marijuana and Health in 1982. Heath's work was
sharply criticized for its insufficient sample size (only four
monkeys), its failure to control experimental bias, and the
misidentification of normal monkey brain structure as "damaged".
Actual studies of human populations of marijuana users have shown
no evidence of brain damage. For example, two studies from 1977,
published in the Journal of the American Medical Association
(JAMA) showed no evidence of brain damage in heavy users of
marijuana. That same year, the American Medical Association
(AMA) officially came out in favor of decriminalizing marijuana.
That's not the sort of thing you'd expect if the AMA thought
marijuana damaged the brain.

2. Marijuana damages the reproductive system

This claim is based chiefly on the work of Dr. Gabriel
Nahas, who experimented with tissue (cells) isolated in petri
dishes, and with researchers who dosed animals with near-lethal
amounts of cannabinoids (i.e., the intoxicating part of
marijuana). Nahas' generalizations from his petri dishes to
human beings have been rejected by the scientific community as
being invalid. In the case of the animal experiments, the
animals that survived their ordeal returned to normal within 30
days of the end of the experiment. Studies of actual human
populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely
affects the reproductive system.

3. Marijuana is a "gateway" drug -- it leads to hard drugs

This is one of the more persistent myths. A real world
example of what happens when marijuana is readily available can
be found in Holland. The Dutch functionally decriminalized
marijuana in the 1970s. Since then, hard drug use -- heroin and
cocaine -- have DECLINED substantially. Even use of marijuana
has declined. If marijuana really were a gateway drug, one would
have expected use of hard drugs to have gone up. Actual studies
of hard drug "addicts" reveal that they start with alcohol or
tobacco more frequently than marijuana.

4. Marijuana suppresses the immune system

Like the studies claiming to show damage to the reproductive
system, this myth is based on studies where animals were given
extremely high doses of cannabinoids. These results have never
been duplicated in human beings. Interestingly, two studies done
in 1978 and one done in 1988 showed that hashish and marijuana
may have actually stimulated the immune system in the people
studied.

5. Marijuana is much more dangerous than tobacco

Smoked marijuana contains more carcinogens than does an
equivalent amount of tobacco (1.5 to 3 times). Marijuana,
however, unlike tobacco, actually dilates (enlarges) the air
passages in the lungs which promotes self-cleaning. This is one
reason why cannabis has been found useful in the past in treating
asthmatics. It should be remembered that a heavy tobacco smoker
consumes much more tobacco than a heavy marijuana smoker consumes
marijuana. Two other factors are important. The first is that
paraphernalia laws directed against marijuana users make it
difficult to smoke safely. These laws make water pipes and
bongs, which filter some of the carcinogens out of the smoke,
illegal and, hence, unavailable. The second is that, if
marijuana were legal, it would be more economical to have
cannabis drinks like bhang (a traditional drink in the Middle
East) or tea which are totally non-carcinogenic. This is in
stark contrast with "smokeless" tobacco products like snuff which
can cause cancer of the mouth and throat. Nicotine itself is
very toxic in even small quantities. In contrast, the
cannabinoids are relatively non-toxic. When all of these facts
are taken together, it can be clearly seen that the reverse is
true: marijuana is much SAFER than tobacco.

6. Legal marijuana would cause carnage on the highways

Although marijuana, when used to intoxication, does impair
performance in a manner similar to alcohol, actual studies of the
effect of marijuana on the automobile accident rate suggest that
it poses LESS of a hazard than alcohol. When a random sample of
fatal accident victims was studied, it was initially found that
marijuana was associated with RELATIVELY as many accidents as
alcohol. In other words, the number of accident victims
intoxicated on marijuana relative to the number of marijuana
users in society gave a ratio similar to that for accident
victims intoxicated on alcohol relative to the total number of
alcohol users. However, a closer examination of the victims
revealed that around 85% of the people intoxicated on marijuana
WERE ALSO INTOXICATED ON ALCOHOL. For people only intoxicated on
marijuana, the rate was much lower than for alcohol alone. This
would suggest that legal marijuana would not pose as serious a
hazard as legal alcohol.

NOTE: We of the HCRC believe that DUI laws pertaining to
driving under the influence of alcohol should apply to driving
under the influence of marijuana. We believe in the RESPONSIBLE
USE of marijuana, NOT IRRESPONSIBLE ABUSE.

7. Marijuana "flattens" human brainwaves

This is an out-and-out lie perpetrated by the Partnership
for a Drug-Free America. A few years ago, they ran a TV ad that
purported to show, first, a normal human brainwave, and second, a
flat brainwave from a 14-year-old "on marijuana". When
researchers called up the TV networks to complain about this
commercial, the Partnership had to pull it from the air. It
seems that the Partnership faked the flat "marijuana brainwave".
In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly INCREASING alpha
wave activity. Alpha waves are associated with meditative and
relaxed states which are, in turn, often associated with human
creativity.

8. Marijuana impairs short-term memory

This is true but misleading. When one is intoxicated on
alcohol, one's motor control is affected. When one is
intoxicated on marijuana, one's concentration is affected. Any
impairment of short-term memory disappears when one is no longer
intoxicated. Often, the short-term memory effect is paired with
a reference to Dr. Heath's poor rhesus monkeys to imply that the
condition is permanent.

9. Marijuana lingers in the body like DDT

This is also true but misleading. Cannabinoids are fat
soluble as are innumerable nutrients and, yes, some poisons like
DDT. For example, the essential nutrient, Vitamin A, is fat
soluble but one never hears people who favor marijuana
prohibition making this comparison.

10. There are over a thousand chemicals in marijuana smoke

Again, true but misleading. The 31 August 1990 issue of the
magazine Science notes that of the over 800 volatile chemicals
present in roasted COFFEE, only 21 have actually been tested on
animals and 16 of these cause cancer in rodents. Yet, coffee
remains legal and is generally considered fairly safe.

11. No one has ever died of a marijuana overdose

This is true. It was put in to see if you are paying
attention. Animal tests have revealed that extremely high doses
of cannabinoids are needed to have lethal effect. This has led
scientists to conclude that the ratio of the amount of
cannabinoids necessary to get a person intoxicated (i.e., stoned)
relative to the amount necessary to kill them is 1 to 40,000. In
other words, to overdose, you would have to consume 40,000 times
as much marijuana as you needed to get stoned. In contrast, the
ratio for alcohol varies between 1 to 4 and 1 to 10. It is easy
to see how upwards of 5000 people die from alcohol overdoses
every year and no one EVER dies of marijuana overdoses.
 

seagull

Member
jewscout said:
should pot be legal? Decriminalized? Under what circumstances, if any, should marijuana be made available to the public?
I support legalizing it, but with limits on where you could smoke it (i.e. not in public places).
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I favor legalizing pot, but I'm against legalizing it for people younger than 21 (sorry, Druidus). The human brain doesn't fully form until the early twenties. I figure people younger than 21 have no business smoking pot (or using alcohol, for that matter) while their brains are still forming. There simply have not been enough studies on the long term consequences of pot usage by young people.
 

ayani

member
i agree with sunstone.

in my opinion (and from my experience, too) alcohol does more damage to a person and to those around him than pot.

i don't use it, but i don't see a problem with folks who do.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
Mr_Spinkles said:
The real issue at hand is, should stupidity be legalized?
there's nothing illegal about chronic smokers and drunks...and i'd say they are pretty stupid
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
I voted it should be used for medical purposes. I'd probably say decriminalize it too, but I just don't know enough about it to be able to say that.
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
I favor legalizing pot, but I'm against legalizing it for people younger than 21 (sorry, Druidus). The human brain doesn't fully form until the early twenties. I figure people younger than 21 have no business smoking pot (or using alcohol, for that matter) while their brains are still forming. There simply have not been enough studies on the long term consequences of pot usage by young people.
I'm going to agree with you here. No need to be sorry.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The real issue at hand is, should stupidity be legalized?
What is stupid about using pot? Its safer than any other legal drug, whereas the most dangerous ones are legal. And despite what people want you to think, smoking weed doesn't make you act stupid. You dont talk funny, you dont act weird, you just act melow and relaxed.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
Luke Wolf said:
And despite what people want you to think, smoking weed doesn't make you act stupid. You dont talk funny, you dont act weird, you just act melow and relaxed.
umm not to be contradictory...but i have done some pretty dumb things when i was high....
like watching an informercial about the Friar's Roast circa 1980 over and over again for like 3 hours:D

of course i was laughing so hard that my sides hurt so take it how you will...
 
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