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Legalize Prostitution?

Should prostitution be legalized?


  • Total voters
    93

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
OH and LOL!!! i only divulged my "story" because I was beign accused or "questioned" if I thougth sex itself was immoral and that I was trying to "legislate' morality in a sense that prostituion itself was "beneath" my moral standards..I wanted to clear that up by expressing Im not a moral "leader'..I have committed many of actions that many would call me the opposite of moral in fact.

Blessings

Dallas
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
If I get drunk today what other human beign is deriving physical pleasure off of my state of intoxication?.Who is exploiting me?..And who is offering me money everyday if I'll just take a shot of tequelia?(even if I dont want to )Where are the millions of men that will line up outside my bedroom door and pay to watch my alcoholism?Where is the mass trafficing of exploiting peoples drinking problems for other individuals enjoyment or thrill?

That is the difference..If your going to comapre alcoholism to prostitution show me how its one individual exploiting another individual where one is hurt and the other is satisfied by it?

People arent tempted out of desperation to become an alcoholic in order to survive economically.No one in their right mind would tell someone you should at least get paid to drink your self to death rather than do it for free ...In fact if you want to drink its at your economic expense.The differnce is Im not paying for a human beings flesh..Im paying for a non living item.

But on that note?...If suddenly underpriveldged otherwise non drinkers found out they could make money getting drunk everyday and letting someone watch it I think the rate of alcoholism and all that entails it including vehicular homicide and all related alcohol deaths and the trickle down of human suffering to family members would SOAR...Especially if the "patrons" liked um the younger the better..

Then we could just say...they really like to get drunk..and we should legalize it to "help them"..

Yes alcoholism destroys some peoples lives ..many in fact...but the plain fact is the alcoholic did not feel threatened coerced or trapped in a situation that in order to eat and have a roof over thier head they must endure it.

Again I can not compare the two.And please dont say I missed your point..I realise the point is prohibition did not stop the consumptioan of alcohol..It just was undergound and became a criminal racket and mobs were murdering each other over territories and such...

Blessings

Dallas

You absolutely missed my point, Dallas. :angel2:

There rarely is person-to-person exploitation because there is government regulation. If alcohol were illegal, all the underground and criminal organizations would (like they do with drugs and prostitution) resort to racketeering the current government organization, AND they would profit from and unregulated and therefore more insidious business practices........where exploitation is the "name of the game."

Now, anyone against capitalism can argue that the alcohol industry is exploiting the masses by offering a product that gives short-term enjoyment, and profiting off the alcoholics who continuously purchase the product at their own demise and the industry's own enjoyment. But I personally am not anti-capitalist, so my opinion does not apply here. :D

But it is a perspective worth mentioning.

There is a huge reason why prostitutes are subjected to violence, rape, abuse.....and it's because they are well aware of the consequences of seeking protection from law enforcement.

Many of these stories and anecdotes (and some research methodologies by anti-legislation of prostitution) have been counter-claimed, BTW.

To note, here is a site that offers very good pro-con arguments on the legalization of prostitution: Prostitution ProCon.org -- Should prostitution be legal?

[mod hat]Of course, if anyone wishes to quote from any of the arguments on either side to help bolster their points, please remember to cite the source. [/mod hat] :)




Peace,
Mystic
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Mystic SangHa'...Sorry about the source..Its the same source form the first post..It was so long I had to break it up..Thats why if you notice I didnt sign my name at the bottom of any of them..But its....The Sex Industry in NevadaSuki Falconberg PhD—01/2008..

Those are her writing adn her quotes..

Blessings

Dallas
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
And Im not being biased or one sided..I have also looked into all the "pro" theories..But the fact is that none of that can be supported in states/countries where it has been legalized.Adn in fact I will find it again but the prostitues themselves have many complaints and resentments who work in a legalized way...They are still being controlled.Like I had eluded to yesterday the ones that "want" to be in this business want "sole propriotership" not brothels who have owners who make the rules about what they have to do with there bodies and then take 50% of there eranings on top of charging them outrageous amounts for the rooms they use and force them to "tip" the supporting staff to lower their cost.. as well as beign "on call" 24/7...Code 3 means all girls needs to line up within minutes..it means a customer is there...Other things as the right to not refuse a client without "good reason"...the prostitute has the burden of "explaining' why she chooses to refuse any certian client. and its up t the brothel owner if its a valid or "excusable" reason...Thats just one example..If they leae the premises of the "compound" they have to be retested for disease and it takes 24 hours for the results..So they are sort of held "captive" in a sense to stay in these brothels and not leave so they are isolated.And inside accordign to some accounts the "owners" frown upon women who wont bend the rules on occasion if a customer insist on no condom.Adn women are in fact coming up HIV positive but then are "quietly fired" and its not reported to the health dept..On top of the fact legalizing it seems to have casued and increase in illegals and sex trafficing. Its increased it..Not just in Nevada..I read the same thing about Germany..

The reason I like this woman is because her interest is in helping protect the prostitutes..For they are the ones at so much risk in so many ways...Includign finding ways t help them transition out of it or in some cases (escape) if thats what they want rather than havign no whre to turn..

I like this gal.. :yes:

Blessings

Dallas
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
No one is arguing on whether or not prostitution is a redeeming or honorable job, Dallas. Stating over and over again how seedy the career is doesn't help. I recognize that working the sex industry, however legal, comes with a price tag. Any job that sells indulgences has a price tag and/or risks with it.........but that isn't the issue.

My point that I have been trying to make is that we're seeing the result of the criminalization of prostitution - not the morality. We can banter back and forth about how imperfect legal prostitution is, how it affects families and therefore the ethical impact it has on society, and the kind of personal impact selling one's body is on the prostitutes themselves. I maintain that it ought to be kept out of criminal courts entirely except for cases that see prostitutes as victims themselves - and that this be more focused in civil cases, instead.

Therefore, prostitutes can feel protected from violence by law enforcement, and also be free to charge brothel owners if they do feel any job discrimination from not allowing them to file as independent contractors. Giving individual prostitutes the same level of legal protection as perhaps other unionized job positions, or at the very least the average citizen, will offer them recourse in (very real) chance of exploitation.

Exposing them to the same consequences as pimps does nothing to help the situation. We're all seeing something really ugly, but I'm remembering an old cliche at the moment -

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result.




Peace,
Mystic
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Nothing is perfect. Legalizing prostitution will not rid us completely of the problems with the profession. The question "Do we experience more problems with it legal or with it illegal?" The answer, by all accounts, seems to be with it legal. None of the problems you have brought up are helped by the illegality of it.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Stating over and over again how seedy the career is doesn't help.

Im not the one stating it over and over..I found an article and there are many more from the prostitutes themselves or people who have gotten an inside look..Its to refute the idea that its a choice for most thats made and that its no more harmful or damaging than a massage thherapist or beign an alcoholic..

And the "pros" and "cons" of legalization is really what its all about at this point in the conversation(to me)..So eliminating that its a horrible way to live and legalization does not stop the sex trafficer or pimps and in fact can increase them needs to remain a "con" in the argument..Im still waiting for real meangful pros that are proven through examples of legalization..

But at least so far for me if it matters..I have reversed my idea that its helpful to arrest and imprison the sex workers..I have learned much..I was wrong these women need to be locked up..The opposite is true..They need to be set free..

Blesssings

Dallas
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Nothing is perfect. Legalizing prostitution will not rid us completely of the problems with the profession. The question "Do we experience more problems with it legal or with it illegal?" The answer, by all accounts, seems to be with it legal. None of the problems you have brought up are helped by the illegality of it.

Do some research..There is evidence to suggest legalizing it in fact makes it worse..Thats based on accounts in areas where it is legal..More trafficing..More sex slaves..More "illegal" activity...

Blessings

Dallas
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
I maintain that it ought to be kept out of criminal courts entirely except for cases that see prostitutes as victims themselves - and that this be more focused in civil cases, instead.

This I agree with you 100%...If someone is coercerd adn exploited to be a worker for a pimp..Should be able to sue for civil damages ...But on top of that he should be charged criminally.

Blessings

Dallas
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Do some research..There is evidence to suggest legalizing it in fact makes it worse..Thats based on accounts in areas where it is legal..More trafficing..More sex slaves..More "illegal" activity...

Blessings

Dallas

How do you know there's more trafficking there? Maybe they find more because they're regulating it more. There might be just as much, if not more here.

Even if that's the case, then it's the Law's fault for not doing a better job controlling it. I'm not saying that every form of prostitution should be legal. I'm saying that regulated, controlled prostitution should be. In that case, they should still crack down on the "illegal" activity that is outside the law's parameters. It would just be easier to distinguish the illegal activity from the legal, if there was a legal version.
 

McBell

Unbound
Do some research..There is evidence to suggest legalizing it in fact makes it worse..Thats based on accounts in areas where it is legal..More trafficing..More sex slaves..More "illegal" activity...

Blessings

Dallas
I am not going to do your homework.
Please present some of this research.

And you do know that prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas, right?
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
P.S Prostituton is NOT legal in the city of Las Vegas..Drive about 2 hours and it is..out in the desert with the rabits and coyotes.And the asians were brought in..ILLLEGALLY!

Blessings

Dallals
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Quote:
Originally Posted by DallasApple
Oh...I remember..would it not damage your self esteem or that of your husbands if the only reason you had sex with each other was to produce a monetary income?..Or if you believed you only were with your husband under threat of financial suffering?

Damage my self-esteem? First, I think it's irrelevent. And, second, I don't believe my self-esteem (or his, for that matter) should be dependent on how we relate to each other sexually.

I have to speak to this..If your ability to feed your self and get money was dependant to your husband and in his eyes it was 100% based on what sex you gave him I can guarantee your self worth would be "tied" to it..You would in fact be "dependent" on your ability to give him sex in direct correlation to if you had food on the table.I assume your self esteem would be affected.You would feel "economic" pressure to have sex with him....

If sex is "free enterprise" and a trade market how are you lifted above it ?

Why? Because you are sheltered and only have sex for love. You have a loving husband...You are not stuck having to service men you dont know ....

What is the difference?

That is how its relevent.

Some women are stuck..You arent one of them..

Blessings

Dallas
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
I voted yes.

It's going to happen whether it's legal or not. Legalized, we can at least afford some protection, both to prostitutes and... "clients."
 

Dezzie

Well-Known Member
My Husband went overseas for his Deployment and when he was in Port, there was a trafficking camp right near his ship. This was in an area where Prostitution is legal.

I personally voted no... I don't agree with prostitution at all. It spreads disease and can be very unsafe. People need to be protected. If you make it legal, more people will do it and get in harms way. Also... I partly agree with Dallas... Trafficking could become worse.

BUT... hmm... I guess from my own moral stand point, no... but if I think outside the box... if it was done SAFELY, I may just change my answer to yes. It is a free Country afterall. People do this stuff even if it's illegal.
 

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
doing it safely is the whole point of making it legal. If it were made legal it could be regulated, prostitutes could be tested regularly, making it safer, and could also report on abusive clients without fear of legal repercussions. So it would make things safer all around and actually decrease the spread of disease as those who tested positive could be "blacklisted" and prevented from working(at least in a legal joint).
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
doing it safely is the whole point of making it legal. If it were made legal it could be regulated, prostitutes could be tested regularly, making it safer, and could also report on abusive clients without fear of legal repercussions. So it would make things safer all around and actually decrease the spread of disease as those who tested positive could be "blacklisted" and prevented from working(at least in a legal joint).
Also, a prostitute could report an assault without fearing being arrested hirself.
 
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