Legalizing Mary Jane

[BSM1]

"It won't kill you" is a pretty low bar. My PhD went up in smoke due to loss of motivation so I write from experience. And I was psychologically dependent on it and had various symptoms from bronchitis physically to various psychological/mental side-effects besides loss of motivation. There was also a "hangover" of a certain kind where I became grumpy and lashed out at people and then decided to smoke more so I'd feel better.

If you want to argue that occasional use of small amounts won't kill you or cause much of a side-effect, you're probably right except perhaps in people whose brains are not fully developed. And it certainly can have a medical use. But it's also true that people can rationalize their use - I certainly did for a while.

Meaning you absolutely no disrespect, but I agree with Nymphs that it probably wasn't the weed you were addicted to. My brother has been a pothead for the last forty--yes, forty-- years. However he was pretty much a worthless slacker long before he had the pot to blame it on.

 

[DreadFish]

Meaning you absolutely no disrespect, but I agree with Nymphs that it probably wasn't the weed you were addicted to. My brother has been a pothead for the last forty--yes, forty-- years. However he was pretty much a worthless slacker long before he had the pot to blame it on.

Yeah, here correlation does not imply causation and often, it is not the pot that makes a person lazy and unmotivated, it's that lazy and unmotivated people who smoke pot like to only smoke pot and not do anything else.

But also, if a person's brain has a predisposition to certain mental illness, pot does have the possibility of bringing it out. It doesn't cause mental illness where there is not a predisposition, but it can bring it out.

 

[Nymphs]

Meaning you absolutely no disrespect, but I agree with Nymphs that it probably wasn't the weed you were addicted to. My brother has been a pothead for the last forty--yes, forty-- years. However he was pretty much a worthless slacker long before he had the pot to blame it on.

I'm a college student, who also has partaken (legal in my state), I'm looking for a job and wish to further myself. It doesn't make me a slacker, in fact the opposite.

 

[BSM1]

I'm a college student, who also has partaken (legal in my state), I'm looking for a job and wish to further myself. It doesn't make me a slacker, in fact the opposite.

I think you missed my point. Many are trying to portray marijuana as the "great and evil de-motivator". I'm just saying that I have seen many people (since the late 60's BTW) who's marijuana use is not the cause but simply an enhancement of their lack of initiative.

 

[Nymphs]

I think you missed my point. Many are trying to portray marijuana as the "great and evil de-motivator". I'm just saying that I have seen many people (since the late 60's BTW) who's marijuana use is not the cause but simply an enhancement of their lack of initiative.

I understood your point, and I was just pointing out that as a user myself, I don't suffer any of these side effects.

 

[Alceste]

That was probably due to other factors as well. I'm quite positive cannabis did not cause all that. :sorry1: NOT :sorry1:



Of course they can. But you can do that with alcohol, cigarettes, food, sex, etc.

Many people combine weed and tobacco in their joints. That study affirms that tobacco is harmful, but not pot.

 

[sun rise]

That was probably due to other factors as well. I'm quite positive cannabis did not cause all that. :sorry1: NOT :sorry1:
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You're wrong. Once I got off the drug, those symptoms went away. It was the drug.

 

[Nymphs]

You're wrong. Once I got off the drug, those symptoms went away. It was the drug.

As has been stated, you had a natural proclivity to be that way, the drug just enhanced that. I have a natural hypersexuality, cannabis enhances that for me, but it doesn't make me hypersexual. It doesn't make me stupid, lazy, unhealthy, etc., either.

 

[BSM1]

I understood your point, and I was just pointing out that as a user myself, I don't suffer any of these side effects.

That's what I'm trying to say!

 

[DreadFish]

You're wrong. Once I got off the drug, those symptoms went away. It was the drug.

Like it has already been stated, it affects people differently. It's not the drug, it's the combination of your personal psychology and the drug.

 

[no-body]

Many people combine weed and tobacco in their joints. That study affirms that tobacco is harmful, but not pot.

Smoking anything is bad, vaporize to stay healthy instead.

 

[no-body]

One thing that cracks me up is the "it's natural" argument. If we ignore addiction Opium is natural too and arguably even "healthier" for your body than cannabis.

If you use something that's a drug everyday in large amounts it's going to do something negative. Everything has side effects, yes even caffeine and sugar.

Legalize everything but please spare me the "It's natural maaannn it's a spiritual medicine that's going to fix all our problems" hippie dippie b.s. I'm not sure how some people can fool themselves into thinking saturating your cannabinoid receptors 24/7 with a drug is "natural" just because it doesn't harm the body in a considerable way.

 

[BSM1]

One thing that cracks me up is the "it's natural" argument. If we ignore addiction Opium is natural too and arguably even "healthier" for your body than cannabis.

If you use something that's a drug everyday in large amounts it's going to do something negative. Everything has side effects, yes even caffeine and sugar.

Legalize everything but please spare me the "It's natural maaannn it's a spiritual medicine that's going to fix all our problems" hippie dippie b.s. I'm not sure how some people can fool themselves into thinking saturating your cannabinoid receptors 24/7 with a drug is "natural" just because it doesn't harm the body in a considerable way.

Not to put to fine a point on it but opium doesn't really grow naturally, it has to be harvested and manufactured from another plant. Marijuana is more of a PnP commodity.

 

[sun rise]

As has been stated, you had a natural proclivity to be that way, the drug just enhanced that. I have a natural hypersexuality, cannabis enhances that for me, but it doesn't make me hypersexual. It doesn't make me stupid, lazy, unhealthy, etc., either.

This makes my point that it's a dangerous drug since it enhances one's weaknesses.

 

[Nymphs]

This makes my point that it's a dangerous drug since it enhances one's weaknesses.

So does food, so does going out your front door. Cannabis has never killed a person. It isn't dangerous.

 

[no-body]

Not to put to fine a point on it but opium doesn't really grow naturally, it has to be harvested and manufactured from another plant. Marijuana is more of a PnP commodity.

You're thinking of morphine or heroin, pure opium just has to be milked out of the plant. And of course smashing up a bunch of poppies and brewing the tea will get you "natural" opiate metabolites.

 

[BSM1]

You're thinking of morphine or heroin, pure opium just has to be milked out of the plant. And of course smashing up a bunch of poppies and brewing the tea will get you "natural" opiate metabolites.

Exactly. There is no opium plant.

 

[DreadFish]

This makes my point that it's a dangerous drug since it enhances one's weaknesses.

You're still not taking in the whole picture because you have personal bias. It enhances various parts of a person's personality, not just weaknesses; it has to do with the individual's personality. It can also enhance creativity and liveliness. If you like any old jazz, you're listening to guys who smoked reefers and played music all the time. Marijuana is basically a sensitizer. Also, there are different strains that produce widely varying effects. An Indica will sedate even the most energetic person and induce couch-lock, while a strong Sativa will make your mind move and give you energy.

Id say that, because you had a bad experience that had a deep effect on you, you are very set on believing one thing about it, but one person's experience is not universal, it's anecdotal at best.

 

[DreadFish]

Exactly. There is no opium plant.

Kinda, there is a specific kind of poppy called the Opium Poppy and all you really have to do is slice the bulb and let the latex come out and dry, then collect the latex and it's ready to be used.

 

[sun rise]

So does food, so does going out your front door. Cannabis has never killed a person. It isn't dangerous.

That is not what the word "dangerous" means.