That is not why I am not a Mormon or Bahai.
I have looked at them, and see flaws in their methodology.
First you have not. Explain the flaws in their methodology. It's exactly the same. One man had revelations
..but you are right that I don't believe that their founders were sent by God, because I have no good reason to believe that they were.
You also have no good reason to believe any person had revelations. The Bahai prophet wrote even more than the Quran. He also wrote laws, ethics and theology.
Millions of people believe them. Just like Islam. Even the claims of "it must be true because of the scientific knowledge" is the same by apologists. In both cases they are entirely wrong.
There are many creeds that wander from the core values of Orthodox Christian/ Muslim belief. Each to their own. Everybody has their reasons for what they follow .. including atheists. We are not all the same .. each person is unique.
Actually there are not. God clearly said in the new revelations that he gives "progressive revelations" so it needs to be updated with the times. But many core values in Islam is also in Bahai.
But, you cannot prove any single "core values" are automatically from a God and not made up by humans?
You can say that, but it isn't.
There are core beliefs in Christianity, Islam and Judaism.
Doesn't make them things a God told people. But Christianity is not real. So if the Quran thinks it is it's wrong already.
Well it's nonsense.
God knows who is following a righteous path or not.
What people may
say is quite irrelevant, really.
Exactly. Muhammad is no exception. These are people making claims. The JW prophets say the world is ending and THEN you say what people say is irrelevant. Except they say God told their prophets.
While you claim God told your prophets. Meanwhile you are all playing fast and loose with the truth. No person had revelations. They do not exist. God does not exist.
I can't help it if you can't understand simple facts.
Whatever historical evidence you may come up with, you cannot prove that Moses did not exist. You cannot prove that he taught polytheism.
All you can prove is that "the children of Israel [the Jews] worshiped various gods at various times in their history.
If anybody makes a conclusion that Moses didn't exist, it is only guesswork .. based on a biased viewpoint.
Yes, I am biased too. That is because I believe that Moses is a prophet of God.
You cannot prove otherwise.
No but the evidence strongly shows Moses was not a real person but a literary creation to fill a role in a mythology. Like Romulus the founder of Rome or the Gospel version of Jesus.
Again, I never said anything about something being proven? The person who cannot understand simple facts over and over is not me (it's you).
It isn't guesswork it's analysis of history. Moses life consists of mostly stories already found in Egyptian myth before Israel existed. There are many other reason as well.
I am biased to what the evidence shows and what is likely true. You just admitted to being bias because you believe in something. Except there is no evidence for anything you believe. We know people get into religious belief for reasons all different than evidence and that it's true. You already don't believe Mormonism, J Wittnesses, Hinduism, Literal Christianity, so we know people believe false things for emotional reasons. When asked for evidence they just say "I believe".
Same thing here. Random beliefs. Those are rarely true.
Potter sums up the mythicist argument regarding Moses:
"The reasons for doubting his existence include, among others, (1) the parallels between the Moses stories and older ones like that of Sargon, (2) the absence of any Egyptian account of such a great event as the Pentateuch asserts the Exodus to have been, (3) the attributing to Moses of so many laws that are known to have originated much later, (4) the correlative fact that great codes never suddenly appear full-born but are slowly evolved, (5) the difficulties of fitting the slavery, the Exodus, and the conquest of Canaan into the known chronology of Egypt and Palestine, and (6) the extreme probability that some of the twelve tribes were never in Egypt at all."
In addition, the miraculous "parting of the Red Sea" has forever mystified the naive and credulous masses and scholars alike, who have put forth all sorts of tortured speculation to explain it. The parting and destruction of the hosts of Pharaoh at the Red Sea is not recorded by any known historian, which is understandable, since it is, of course, not historical and is found in other cultures, including in Ceylon, out of which the conquering shepherd kings (Pharaohs) were driven across "Adam's Bridge" and drowned. This motif is also found in the Hawaiian and Hottentot versions of the Moses myth, prior to contact with outside cultures. The crossing of the Red Sea is astronomical, expressly stated by Josephus to have occurred at the autumnal equinox, indicating its origin within the mythos.
Moreover, the famed Ten Commandments are simply a repetition of the Babylonian Code of Hammurabi and the Hindu Vedas, among others. As Churchward says:
"The 'Law of Moses' were the old Egyptian Laws . . . ; this the stele or 'Code of Hammurabi' conclusively proves. Moses lived 1,000 years after this stone was engraved."
Walker relates that the "stone tablets of law supposedly given to Moses were copied from the Canaanite god Baal-Berith, 'God of the Covenant.' Their Ten Commandments were similar to the commandments of the Buddhist Decalogue. In the ancient world, laws generally came from a deity on a mountaintop. Zoroaster received the tablets of law from Ahura Mazda on a mountaintop."
Doane sums it up when he says, "Almost all the acts of Moses correspond to those of the Sun-gods." However, the Moses story is also reflective of the stellar cult, once again demonstrating the dual natured "twin" Horus-Set myth and the battle for supremacy between the day and night skies, as well as among the solar, stellar and lunar cults. . . . [end excerpt]
As has been demonstrated, the Moses fable is an ancient mythological motif found in numerous cultures. It therefore has nothing to do with any particular ethnic group, and the character Moses is not the founder of the Jewish ideology. Like so many others, this story as presented represents racist rubbish and cultural bigotry.
Furthermore, rabbis and other authorities have known the mythological nature of this and other major biblical tales, yet they say nothing. Indeed, they go along with it, much to their own benefit. Naturally, the person who discovers this ruse and hoax may rightfully become annoyed, to say the least, at the deliberate deception, and ask "What's up with that?"
"
The legend of Moses, rather than being that of a historical Hebrew character, is found from the Mediterranean to India, with the character having different names and races, depending on the locale: "Manou" is the Indian legislator. "Nemo the lawgiver," who brought down the tablets from the Mountain of God, hails from Babylon. "Mises" is found in Syria, where he was pulled out of a basket floating in a river. Mises also had tablets of stone upon which laws were written and a rod with which he did miracles, including parting waters and leading his army across the sea. In addition, "Manes the lawgiver" took the stage in Egypt, and "Minos" was the Cretan reformer.
Like Moses, Krishna was placed by his mother in a reed boat and set adrift in a river to be discovered by another woman. The Akkadian Sargon also was placed in a reed basket and set adrift to save his life. In fact, "The name Moses is Egyptian and comes from mo, the Egyptian word for water, and uses, meaning saved from water, in this case, primordial." Thus, this title Moses could be applied to any of these various heroes saved from the water.
Walker elaborates on the Moses myth:
"The Moses tale was originally that of an Egyptian hero, Ra-Harakhti, the reborn sun god of Canopus, whose life story was copied by biblical scholars. The same story was told of the sun hero fathered by Apollo on the virgin Creusa; of Sargon, king of Akkad in 2242 B.C.; and of the mythological twin founders of Rome, among many other baby heroes set adrift in rush baskets. It was a common theme."
Furthermore, Moses's rod is a magical, astrology stick used by a number of other mythical characters. Of Moses's miraculous exploits, Walker also relates:
"Moses's flowering rod, river of blood, and tablets of the law were all symbols of the ancient Goddess. His miracle of drawing water from a rock was first performed by Mother Rhea after she gave birth to Zeus, and by Atalanta with the help of Artemis. His miracle of drying up the waters to travel dry-shod was earlier performed by Isis, or Hathor, on her way to Byblos."
And Higgins states:
"In Bacchus we evidently have Moses. Herodotus says [Bacchus] was an Egyptian . . . The Orphic verses relate that he was preserved from the waters, in a little box or chest, that he was called Misem in commemoration of the event; that he was instructed in all the secrets of the Gods; and that he had a rod, which he changed into a serpent at his pleasure; that he passed through the Red Sea dry-shod, as Hercules subsequently did . . . and that when he went to India, he and his army enjoyed the light of the Sun during the night: moreover, it is said, that he touched with his magic rod the waters of the great rivers Orontes and Hydaspes; upon which those waters flowed back and left him a free passage. It is even said that he arrested the course of the sun and moon. He wrote his laws on two tablets of stone. He was anciently represented with horns or rays on his head."
Jacolliot traces the original Moses to the Indian Manou: "This name of Manou, or Manes . . . is not a substantive, applying to an individual man; its Sanscrit signification is the man, par excellence, the legislator. It is a title aspired to by all the leaders of men in antiquity."
You cannot prove otherwise.
Now you have circled around to this? I never said this? Mormons can say the same. J Ws can say "you cannot prove the world isn't going to end and you will all go to hell soon". So what? Doesn't make it true?
I cannot prove Zeus isn't real, doesn't make him real either
No we don't. That is a conclusion based on disbelief.
How many times do I have to say it.
YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT MOSES DID NOT EXIST.
You cannot prove that the Hindu deity Krishna doesn't exist. Doesn't make him real. But we can examine historical facts and make a guess based on evidence, as well as examine writings and so on.
Generally, Moses is seen as a
legendary figure, whilst retaining the possibility that Moses or a Moses-like figure existed in the 13th century BCE.
[14][15][16][17][18]
