Lessons learned from the Clinton/Trump election

[idav]

I am fully aware of that, Sunstone. You know that that IS the intent of the bleating on this topic. Deplorable, stupid people.

No just less satisfied people and trump gained there support while monorities were overwhelmingly for Hillary regardless of education.

 

[esmith]

And just the kind of guy that appealed to all the dim-wits in the country. "He must be good, he's just like me. Dim-wits of America, Untie*"

. * yes, the misspelling is on purpose.

I guess we did.
Maybe it's time for the elitist to take a closer look at their values.

 

[averageJOE]

I learned:
1) Elections (speaking explicitly about primaries) can absolutely be rigged.
2) When it comes to politics...entertainment matters.
3) The Democratic Party is equally corrupt and disconnected as the GOP.
4) That fear and hatred is at the core of more Americans than I thought.

 

[Underhill]

We also saw the incredible power of the whistleblower, ie, Wikileaks.
I believe that with out them, the result would've been hugely reversed.
And here's the ironic thing....the released emails have not been even
challenged for accuracy, so the effect was based upon facts...albeit
well timed facts.
The most powerful people of our age might be Julian Assange & Matt Drudge.

Actually some of them have...

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201610081046142537-hillary-wikileaks-podesta-emails-fake/

 

[Underhill]

I guess we did.
Maybe it's time for the elitist to take a closer look at their values.

So elitist need to become more like Trump? Seriously?

 

[esmith]

So elitist need to become more like Trump? Seriously?

No, just realize that just because we voted for Trump we are not "Dim-wits". I realize that you and others may have some values that are different than mine but that is not a reason to think less of me or anyone that voted for Trump.
In other words give Trump a chance and maybe just maybe you will be a better person for it. We all can't be liberals, progressives, or /Democrats.

 

[Acim]

Actually some of them have...

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201610081046142537-hillary-wikileaks-podesta-emails-fake/

I think he meant successfully challenged for accuracy.

 

[Underhill]

No, just realize that just because we voted for Trump we are not "Dim-wits". I realize that you and others may have some values that are different than mine but that is not a reason to think less of me or anyone that voted for Trump.
In other words give Trump a chance and maybe just maybe you will be a better person for it. We all can't be liberals, progressives, or /Democrats.

I don't think less of people who have different opinions on guns or most issues.

When that starts to come into play is when people start denigrating people who have a different lifestyle or denying science. I don't know if it is necessarily that they are stupid, but there is something wrong there and I doubt anyone would convince me that the shortfall is on the elitist side.

 

[Underhill]

I think he meant successfully challenged for accuracy.

Well, thus far we have seen something like 3 different security companies, at least 2 different government agencies and a number of independent experts come to the same conclusion. I guess it depends on what you mean by 'successfully'. I would say that's pretty conclusive.

 

[Acim]

Well, thus far we have seen something like 3 different security companies, at least 2 different government agencies and a number of independent experts come to the same conclusion. I guess it depends on what you mean by 'successfully'. I would say that's pretty conclusive.

What conclusion? Please show that in links.

 

[Underhill]

What conclusion? Please show that in links.

I have before. It's not like it's new news.

 

[Neo Deist]

But Trump, not winning the popular vote, obviously did not appeal to the majority of the people.

The US has approximately 246,000,000 adults. The difference in the popular vote was roughly 200,000 votes, which is less than 0.1% of adults. For all practical purposes, the popular vote was a tie in the grand scheme of things. To say that Trump did not appeal to the majority of people is just an asinine fallacy.

The person that did not appeal to the people was Hillary Clinton. Trump flipped states that were supposed to go to Hillary. FL, NC, OH, PA, MI, WI. You don't do that unless you appeal to the people.

 

[Skwim]

The US has approximately 246,000,000 adults. The difference in the popular vote was roughly 200,000 votes, which is less than 0.1% of adults. For all practical purposes, the popular vote was a tie in the grand scheme of things. To say that Trump did not appeal to the majority of people is just an asinine fallacy.

The person that did not appeal to the people was Hillary Clinton.

And this right after saying "For all practical purposes, the popular vote was a tie in the grand scheme of things."

You, funny guy.


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[Notanumber]

This says it all

Anonymous • on Nov 9, 2016 7:34 pm

Idiots should have gone and vote.

Reply

• Bette Tetreault • 5 hours ago

We did and we did not vote for Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply

http://deadline.com/2016/11/protests-donald-trump-election-2016-1201852110/

 

[Underhill]

The US has approximately 246,000,000 adults. The difference in the popular vote was roughly 200,000 votes, which is less than 0.1% of adults. For all practical purposes, the popular vote was a tie in the grand scheme of things. To say that Trump did not appeal to the majority of people is just an asinine fallacy.

The person that did not appeal to the people was Hillary Clinton. Trump flipped states that were supposed to go to Hillary. FL, NC, OH, PA, MI, WI. You don't do that unless you appeal to the people.

You need to look up the meaning of fallacy. You admit the claim is true, just not by much, then claim it's a fallacy, and not just a fallacy, but an asinine fallacy....

 

[Neo Deist]

And this right after saying "For all practical purposes, the popular vote was a tie in the grand scheme of things."

You, funny guy.


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You're not getting it. She carried the usual, high populace states such as CA, NY, and IL. No surprise there. Yes, she will have a large portion of the popular votes based on the left wing, liberal states that ALWAYS vote Democrat. But she lost several states that were pre-colored light blue on the electoral maps by the left wing media.

However, 1/3 of those that voted in CA voted for Trump, not Clinton, yet for EC votes it is a "winner takes all" state. The same for NY (37%). If the states followed Maine and Nebraska of awarding EC votes based on congressional districts instead of a "winner takes all", she would have lost by a lot more than 74 EC votes.

 

[YmirGF]

And this right after saying "For all practical purposes, the popular vote was a tie in the grand scheme of things."

You, funny guy.


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This is thin, at best, though I do agree you can't talk about Trump having a mandate either. Losing by this small a sampling is small potatoes and not much to brag about. Heck, it seems like only last week I read article after article that showed, in detail, how Hill Hill had the Electoral college vote locked up and even IF the Trumpenator managed to get the popular vote it was simply silly to think he could capture the EC.

Yeah, so much for pundits...

 

[Neo Deist]

You need to look up the meaning of fallacy. You admit the claim is true, just not by much, then claim it's a fallacy, and not just a fallacy, but an asinine fallacy....

Fallacy: a deceptive, misleading, or false notion

His statement: "But Trump, not winning the popular vote, obviously did not appeal to the majority of the people."

I merely pointed out that his notion is misleading, as the difference was less than 0.1% in popular vote. Therefore, my usage of fallacy stands.

Enjoy licking your wounds for the next 4 (8) years.

 

[esmith]

I don't think less of people who have different opinions on guns or most issues.

When that starts to come into play is when people start denigrating people who have a different lifestyle or denying science. I don't know if it is necessarily that they are stupid, but there is something wrong there and I doubt anyone would convince me that the shortfall is on the elitist side.

However that is not the case as per the first poster I responded to.
I may not agree with everything Trump has put forward but as far as I was concerned he was a better choice that Hillary.
When I heard that Trump had won I experienced a euphoria that I haven't felt in 8 years. .
Maybe you can understand how I and others have felt for the last 8 years.
But I'm not going to call those that voted for Hillary or Obama idiots as we are now experiencing with the anit-Trump supporters.

 

[Nous]

What did YOU learn from this election?

I think the most important lesson to be learned from this election--which can be learned from many other elections, but which many people refuse to learn, and which is the reason for many of the other facts people here have noted--is that the candidate with the most money and who spends the most does not necessarily win.