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Lessons learned from the Clinton/Trump election

Scott C.

Scott C.

Just one guy
Sunstone said:
Interesting question. I don't know why, but Clinton didn't do as well with women as expected. For instance, she only captured about 51% of the women's vote in Florida according to one exit poll. In most other places, she was typically pulling in less than 55% of the woman's vote. Of course, those are exit polls, so one has to wonder how accurate they are.
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I don't think a majority of voters see having the first woman president as a big deal. I can take it or leave it. I would have voted for Fiorina probably. I care more about qualifications than gender. I could easily vote for the right woman.
 
Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
Donald is our man; he tells it like it is.


America did make the right choice.


He was right.


Put America first (regardless of colour).
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
esmith said:
No, just realize that just because we voted for Trump we are not "Dim-wits". I realize that you and others may have some values that are different than mine but that is not a reason to think less of me or anyone that voted for Trump.
In other words give Trump a chance and maybe just maybe you will be a better person for it. We all can't be liberals, progressives, or /Democrats.
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Jeebers! I more or less agree with esmith. The Gods preserve me!
 
Monk Of Reason

Monk Of Reason

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
Akivah said:
1. Polls are completely unreliable
2. The Republican party is very much alive
3. Trump is supported by more than just old, white, and bigoted men.
4. No political, military, or diplomatic experience is required to be president.
5. An unwavering will to become president does not guarantee the presidency.
6. Support from your political party is not required to become president.

What did YOU learn from this election?
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I have only been reassured of the stupidity of the general population. Trumps election was just the straw that broke the camel's back and the nail on the head to what is wrong with this country. There has been an enormous amount of disappointment coming out of the election. Hell I suppose I would say the same if HIllary had won as well since I didn't support either.

I suppose the biggest thing I learned was that even though I thought I was the most cynical I could possibly be I was still far to hopeful for this country.
 
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A

Acim

Revelation all the time
Neo Deist said:
The US has approximately 246,000,000 adults. The difference in the popular vote was roughly 200,000 votes, which is less than 0.1% of adults. For all practical purposes, the popular vote was a tie in the grand scheme of things. To say that Trump did not appeal to the majority of people is just an asinine fallacy.

The person that did not appeal to the people was Hillary Clinton. Trump flipped states that were supposed to go to Hillary. FL, NC, OH, PA, MI, WI. You don't do that unless you appeal to the people.
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I can't agree on popular vote being a tie. It was very very close to a tie, but Hillary won the popular vote. I also can't agree on Trump barely winning Electoral vote. That looks like 270 to 268 if comparing it to popular vote. As it stands currently, it's closer to dominating (by Trump) than being something that was really really close.

Among adults only, of all people that voted (includes 3rd party candidates and voting 'other') around half, maybe a tiny bit more voted. So, really around 1/4th of adults favor Hillary, and 1/4th favored Trump.

As one who used to not vote in POTUS elections, I'd pay attention to such facts. Also the fact that of the entire U.S. population, nowhere near half the people voted. So, really more like 19% of the population favored Hillary and 19% supports Trump. And then realization that around 62% of the population doesn't actively support either person (as their leader). That's your majority. That's a perspective I would not have ignored if we are trying to be fair and honest with numbers. And is true with pretty much every POTUS I'm familiar with (or for sure over last 30 years).
 
Akivah

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Neo Deist said:
The US has approximately 246,000,000 adults. The difference in the popular vote was roughly 200,000 votes, which is less than 0.1% of adults. For all practical purposes, the popular vote was a tie in the grand scheme of things. To say that Trump did not appeal to the majority of people is just an asinine fallacy.

The person that did not appeal to the people was Hillary Clinton. Trump flipped states that were supposed to go to Hillary. FL, NC, OH, PA, MI, WI. You don't do that unless you appeal to the people.
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Both candidates have a higher disapproval rating than their approval rating. Thus it is more accurate to say that less people disliked Trump than Clinton. Not that Trump has more appeal.

I do agree that this election was Clinton's to lose. She had the organization, the money, the head start, the media, and the polls. If only some polls actually reflected reality, there would've been less shock value to these protesting youngsters.
 
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