Let them eat cake - the World revolves around Me!

[nnmartin]

I am the Center of the Universe.

I am the only one that matters.

I am more important than you.

This is how we have all been indoctrinated and conditioned in recent years. Money, status, power and ego above all else.

Individualism, achievement, being a success, competing and fulfilling one's potential are all just euphemisms to sanitise our selfish desires and narcissism.

If you have the money then get someone else to do your chores, sleep with you, work for you, and then throw them a few crumbs and pat yourself on the back.

If it looks good and makes money then that's all that matters - to hell with the consequences.

Act like a whore, thug, Lord, Lady or princess - who cares if you can get away with it because success is all that matters.

Throw a few crumbs to those undeserving poor folk - they are poor because they deserve to be.

Let them eat cake!

 

[Revoltingest]

I am the Center of the Universe.

I am the only one that matters.

I am equally important to you.

This is how we have all been indoctrinated and conditioned in recent years. Equality, political correctness, sacrifice of the individual to the greater good above all else.

Collectivism, self-sacrifice, sameness, team spirit and avoiding one's potential are all just euphemisms to sanitise our selfless desires and hive mentality.

If you have the political power then prevent everyone else from doing chores, sleep with you, work for you, and then throw them a few crumbs and pat yourself on the back.

If it looks good and makes no profit then that's all that matters - to hell with the consequences.

Act like a snitch, comrade, party appartchik - who cares if you can get away with it because the hive is all that matters.

Throw a few crumbs to fools who work - they work because we deserve to be supported.

Resistance is futile!

 

[jarofthoughts]

I dunno guys...
Maybe there is some middle ground between these extremes...

 

[Cecile]

I think the first post speaks of a religion that is a combination of Individualism and Capitalism. These are definitely powerful religions. But they don't mean you have to **** on people all day long. You can find your own way inside these powerful belief systems without cruelty. You can be whoever you want to be. Maybe the poor person you throw a few crumbs to doesn't want them. Maybe that person opted out of the religions you describe.

 

[blackout]

Some of us can't eat cake
as we are gluten intolerant.

I would need to hire a special baker
to bake me gluten free cakes.

I'm far too special to bake my own cakes.

 

[Kathryn]

My needs are the Center of the Universe.

My needs are the only ones that matter.

My needs are more important than your human rights.

This is how we have all been indoctrinated and conditioned in recent years: To anyone making over $200,000 a year, money, status, power and ego above all else. No way they could have actually EARNED their financial stability by hard work and responsible choices - IT'S NOT FAIR!

This is the litany we've heard from the left, and from many "progressives" as they stir the pot of class warfare (while conveniently ignoring the fact that so many of them and their leaders fall into exactly the same income and privilege bracket they're demonizing).

Individualism, achievement, being a success, competing and fulfilling one's potential are all just denigrated as selfishness and even evil actions.

Those who have the means to hire people and build their community's economic base are pilloried rather than appreciated.

Meanwhile, protesters can act like thugs in the street and threaten violence and it's OK - who cares if you can get away with it because demonizing and dividing groups of people is all that matters.

Throw a few bricks through those rich ********' windows - it's a lot more fun to take part in a riot than it is to get up and go to work everyday.

After all - it's so cool - while we're doing it, some of those rich ******** will actually bring us sushi! It's a crazy world!

 

[Nashitheki]

I am the Center of the Universe.

I am the only one that matters.

I am more important than you.

This is how we have all been indoctrinated and conditioned in recent years. Money, status, power and ego above all else.

Individualism, achievement, being a success, competing and fulfilling one's potential are all just euphemisms to sanitise our selfish desires and narcissism.

If you have the money then get someone else to do your chores, sleep with you, work for you, and then throw them a few crumbs and pat yourself on the back.

If it looks good and makes money then that's all that matters - to hell with the consequences.

Act like a whore, thug, Lord, Lady or princess - who cares if you can get away with it because success is all that matters.

Throw a few crumbs to those undeserving poor folk - they are poor because they deserve to be.

Let them eat cake!

In the old days if the hunters of thirty families went out into the forest and only two of them bagged a deer apiece, the whole village would at least have a little venison to eat. Those who attain status by using fellow tribal members as stepping stones were usually looked down upon. Good tribal leaders or people of high status often reduced themselves into poverty in their looking out for the rest of the tribe.

nnmartin, history has told us that this type of haughty attitude does not travel upon an easy path. The subjugated always outnumber their oppressors and things change, for a little while until those who claim victory turn into exactly what they strove against. Hopefully the next time such a victory is won, we will remember these lessons of past revolutions and leave the golden gods and their worshippers toppled for good, never to rise again.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hopefully the next time such a victory is won, we will remember these lessons of past revolutions.....

Hah!
"History teaches that history teaches us nothing." Hegel
Everything must be learned by repeating mistakes.

Another fun quote (Will Rogers)....
"There are 3 kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation.
The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."

 

[Kathryn]

In the old days if the hunters of thirty families went out into the forest and only two of them bagged a deer apiece, the whole village would at least have a little venison to eat. Those who attain status by using fellow tribal members as stepping stones were usually looked down upon. Good tribal leaders or people of high status often reduced themselves into poverty in their looking out for the rest of the tribe.

nnmartin, history has told us that this type of haughty attitude does not travel upon an easy path. The subjugated always outnumber their oppressors and things change, for a little while until those who claim victory turn into exactly what they strove against. Hopefully the next time such a victory is won, we will remember these lessons of past revolutions and leave the golden gods and their worshippers toppled for good, never to rise again.

In the old days, the warriors also went out and raped and pillaged and mutilated and kidnapped.

I'm not singling out Native Americans - just using your example to point out that cultures aren't defined simplistically - or rather, when they are, the definitions are incomplete, inaccurate, and frankly unfair to individuals.

 

[Nashitheki]

In the old days, the warriors also went out and raped and pillaged and mutilated and kidnapped.

I'm not singling out Native Americans - just using your example to point out that cultures aren't defined simplistically - or rather, when they are, the definitions are incomplete, inaccurate, and frankly unfair to individuals.

Seems my words have no good place in your agenda. I appreciate your honesty when it comes to discrediting anyone who sticks up for the oppressed.

In the old days people calling themselves Christians raped, pillaged, mutilated and kidnapped. American soldiers still kill sleeping villagers and the oil companies have been known to hire murderers to kill South American Indians because their tribal lands are sitting atop black gold.

But as long as some can have their gentry lifestyles, why should they care about the little people ? Would it not be better If I agreed with everything you say just so we can be friends ? Sorry, but that goes against my particular code of morals.

Personally I'd rather live in a poverty ridden tent city than accept anything you're pushing.

 

[Nashitheki]

Hah!
"History teaches that history teaches us nothing." Hegel
Everything must be learned by repeating mistakes.

Another fun quote (Will Rogers)....
"There are 3 kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation.
The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."

I admire your drive to debate these matters. Tell me, what does it do for you ?

I'm hoping you're the kind of good person that loves pets. Tell me do you like Boxer dogs ?

 

[nnmartin]

Collectivism, self-sacrifice, sameness, team spirit and avoiding one's potential are all just euphemisms to sanitise our selfless desires and hive mentality.
..................

Throw a few crumbs to fools who work - they work because we deserve to be supported.

Resistance is futile!

that's nonsense, even a brief knowledge of places such as the USSR will let you know that most people had to work there.

And the wages, benefits were different according to your career.

 

[nnmartin]

Those who have the means to hire people and build their community's economic base are pilloried rather than appreciated.

that depends on how they have carried out their economic success. If it is by treading on the poor then why should they be appreciated?

or do you mean there is another way?

Throw a few bricks through those rich ********' windows - it's a lot more fun to take part in a riot than it is to get up and go to work everyday.

make the rich work for minimum wage at Macdonalds and then ask them how much 'fun' their jobs are.

After all - it's so cool - while we're doing it, some of those rich ******** will actually bring us sushi! It's a crazy world!

mere crumbs to appease the masses, the allegorical cake more like!

 

[painted wolf]

My needs are the Center of the Universe.

My needs are the only ones that matter.

My needs are more important than your human rights.

This is how we have all been indoctrinated and conditioned in recent years: To anyone making over $200,000 a year, money, status, power and ego above all else. No way they could have actually EARNED their financial stability by hard work and responsible choices - IT'S NOT FAIR!

This is the litany we've heard from the left, and from many "progressives" as they stir the pot of class warfare (while conveniently ignoring the fact that so many of them and their leaders fall into exactly the same income and privilege bracket they're demonizing).

Individualism, achievement, being a success, competing and fulfilling one's potential are all just denigrated as selfishness and even evil actions.

Those who have the means to hire people and build their community's economic base are pilloried rather than appreciated.

Meanwhile, protesters can act like thugs in the street and threaten violence and it's OK - who cares if you can get away with it because demonizing and dividing groups of people is all that matters.

Throw a few bricks through those rich ********' windows - it's a lot more fun to take part in a riot than it is to get up and go to work everyday.

After all - it's so cool - while we're doing it, some of those rich ******** will actually bring us sushi! It's a crazy world!

Sometimes protest is the only way to get your voice heard... demonizing protestors for demonizing some of the rich (mostly Wall Street Elites and
Politicians) seems a bit hypocritical.

The more we demonize each other the less we can actually accomplish.

wa:do

 

[LongGe123]

I think the OP just oversimplifies the entire notion - declaring that you have to be either one set of things or the other, and it's not possible to have a mixture. I don't see why people would believe it is impossible to be both concerned for your own welfare AND have something of a social conscience at the same time. I think it's natural to be selfish sometimes, but if we can minimize it so that we're not affecting others with our selfishness, then who really cares?

Am I wrong to pursue wealth and career advancement if that's what I want? If I'm not affecting the lives of others as I do it, and I strive to be a good person in my daily life, where's the harm in chasing a dream? I think it's important we all have the freedom to realize our own potential. But with greater freedom, ironically, comes greater inequality. It's the downside. But these days you get more social democratic government who find the happier medium where the government still helps to take care of those who need it most, while others have the freedom to get where they want to be. It's a realistic, practical and fair way of running things, in my mind.

 

[nnmartin]

ok, so why does a hard working nurse, soldier, policeman, factory worker etc.. have to pay more taxes then a thieving, exploiting banker, manager, owner or sex object superstar?

 

[LongGe123]

ok, so why does a hard working nurse, soldier, policeman, factory worker etc.. have to pay more taxes then a thieving, exploiting banker, manager, owner or sex object superstar?

I don't think they do...do they? It's true that the rich abuse the taxation system by hiding assets, tax dodging etc, but that's no reason to just do away with the system. Only a total fascist would think that way. There is a flaw in the system therefore we must revolt and overthrow the system in favour of my own draconian ideas. And what we shouldn't do is try our best to fix the flaw.

I can't speak for all nations, but in the UK I don't think it's possible for a single nurse to be paying more tax than a banker making many times more money. If memory serves, income tax is 20-22% on everything under 40,000 a year (pounds), and everything you earn over 40,000 is taxed at 40%. Your next big tax is national insurance, but even that's not so much really I don't think. It's not possible therefore that a banker earning, say, 100,000 a year pays less tax than a nurse. If you're referring to tax-dodging MNCs, then that's a different issue.

Do you mean perhaps that the bulk of the tax revenue comes from people like nurses, policemen, in that when you add all that together they make a greater contribution than the rich minority? I think there are problems within that overall concept which need to be addressed, certainly! Chiefly, the tax-dodging of major corporations and the super-rich individuals who run them.

In fact, martin, the greatest tax burden in any developed country, is pretty much focused entirely on the MIDDLE classes, not the working classes, as you seem to believe. IE - my family! My parents get taxed to death and put so much into the system while getting virtually NOTHING out of it. We are not entitled to financial support, benefits, reimbursements or subsidies. In European countries, this is often the case. I'm not against the welfare system, but I'm just saying that invariably it's the middle classes who bear the greatest tax burden in fact. This is a problem that needs to be addressed more urgently.

 

[Me Myself]

The world has ALWAYS revolved around me!

 

[Me Myself]

Sometimes protest is the only way to get your voice heard... demonizing protestors for demonizing some of the rich (mostly Wall Street Elites and
Politicians) seems a bit hypocritical.

The more we demonize each other the less we can actually accomplish.

wa:do

Frubals.

Now can someone pass Me the cake please?

 

[nnmartin]

I can't speak for all nations, but in the UK I don't think it's possible for a single nurse to be paying more tax than a banker making many times more money.

I heard that in some places , the tax bands favored the rich.

something like those earning over a certain amount paid a lower rate then a regular earner?

where I live now there is only a sales tax - great for the rich!