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Let's celebrate the beauty of all Faiths

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
You have an excellent point. What we really need is a good definition of religion. For me personally I find the Bahai definition very acceptable.

Religion should unite all hearts and cause wars and disputes to vanish from the face of the earth, give birth to spirituality, and bring life and light to each heart. If religion becomes a cause of dislike, hatred and division, it were better to be without it, and to withdraw from such a religion would be a truly religious act. Any religion which is not a cause of love and unity is no religion.”

Okay... let me show you something.

Truth, Love, and Courage.

Honesty is respect for Truth.
Compassion is Love for others.
Valor is Courage to stand up against risks.
Justice is Truth, tempered by Love.
Sacrifice is Courage to give oneself in the name of Love.
Honor is Courage to seek and uphold the Truth.
Spirituality is to seek Truth, Love, and Courage from oneself and the world around.
Humility is the opposite of Pride, which is the absense of Truth, Love, and Courage.

Now, if you've seen these before, you might know where I'm going with this. But if not, would you say this fits that definition?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Not sure where your going but please continue

Answer my question, first. Just looking at this list, would you say that this qualifies as a religion under the above definition?

It's simple, so it doesn't get bogged down with all the nuances of rules that frustrate many organized religions. I think most of us can pretty much agree that Truth, Love, and Courage are solid principles to live by. Those eight virtues derived from them are fairly simple to understand and follow, as well as clarify what they are. There aren't any Gods involved, which helps keep this from clashing with what different people might believe in, if anything, regarding such matters.

And the best part, is that they don't all need to be followed at all times. Consider this: you're given an uncounted gold coin (ie, it won't be terribly missed if it goes missing) to deliver to a specific person, but on your way, you come across a begger. You have no money of your own to give, just this one gold piece. Regardless of what you do once this moment has passed, in this one moment, do you A): uphold Compassion and give the gold coin to the beggar, or B) uphold Honesty and deliver the coin to its expected destination? Either choice is virtuous, and it in this case, it simply depends on which virtue is more important to you personally.

Therefore, there's no harsh judgment from being imperfect. Sometimes, situations happen when you can't uphold all the virtues. And anyway, you will inevitably prioritize certain virtues over others, anyway, as will everyone else.

So, does this qualify as a religion?
 

arthra

Baha'i
“why should not the followers of each prophet recognize and honour the other prophets also?”


Lover of humanity thanks for sharing your sentiments on this forum and welcome!

Yes by all means we should recognise and honour all the Prophets! There are many Prophets that have gone before that we know little about and there will no doubt be countless future Prophets that will appear in the future.. but honour them all we must...
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
You have an excellent point. What we really need is a good definition of religion. For me personally I find the Bahai definition very acceptable.

Religion should unite all hearts and cause wars and disputes to vanish from the face of the earth, give birth to spirituality, and bring life and light to each heart. If religion becomes a cause of dislike, hatred and division, it were better to be without it, and to withdraw from such a religion would be a truly religious act. Any religion which is not a cause of love and unity is no religion.”

What's your definition of pizza?
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Since this is in a debates forum, and not comparative religion, I will respond appropriately.
I only have two points to hit on.

1. The title:
I do not think that was properly thought out, there are many faiths that normal folk might find less than appealing
Many that you yourself might describe as evil.

2. This:


I hope you don't truly believe this.

So there is not good in you? Even though I don't know you personally I'm sure there is plenty of good in you and others and we can find many truths in all faiths to learn from and live by.
 

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
So there is not good in you? Even though I don't know you personally I'm sure there is plenty of good in you and others and we can find many truths in all faiths to learn from and live by.

Not as you would define it, no.
Plenty of tolerance, but that's about it as far as kindness goes for me.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
That's the virtue system from the game Ultimate Online but that's a game not a religion

You cheated. ;)

First of all, this franchise created by Richard "Lord British" Garriot is called "Ultima", not "Ultimate." Ultima Online is just one entry in the franchise, and has historical significance for being one of the first major MMORPGs. (And I've never played it).

Second of all, the Eight Virtues are from Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar, the fourth entry in the series released back in 1985. This "game" is all about self-enlightenment, tasking the player to master all eight virtues through interacting with the world. Giving to beggars, answering honestly when asked questions, not stealing, not killing fleeing opponents, etc. Mastering all eight also involves learning each one's mantra, finding the Shrines dedicated to each one, meditating on the respective Virtue.

There's no final boss fight. The final quest of the game involves descending into the Stygian Abyss, a most evil place, and retrieving the Codex of Infinite Wisdom. After this, the player becomes the Avatar. It's entirely possible to play this game as if it were a personal spiritual journey.

So, either ignore the fact that it's from a game, or recognize that being from a game in no way diminishes its significance. Therefore, could it be a religion? Could it fulfill the stated definition?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Of course!! Why not?? You are family!! You are part of humanity so we are family already. Just accepting each other as equal human beings is sufficient There is no need to interrogate and judge each other on our beliefs. People do that just to make themselves feel superior to others which is sad. And we all can learn from each other and appreciate the diversity in the human race that makes people so beautiful.

I think this's a philosophy rather than reality.

It's whether to find the true religion or to leave all religions, bad people will
always exist regardless of what religion they chose.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Lover of humanity thanks for sharing your sentiments on this forum and welcome!

Yes by all means we should recognise and honour all the Prophets! There are many Prophets that have gone before that we know little about and there will no doubt be countless future Prophets that will appear in the future.. but honour them all we must...

Many prophets to come and many new religions to come, that makes sense.:rolleyes:
 
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Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Yes, I get your point (unlike others in their attempts to find a mistake in your words :p) and I believe it is good. I do believe and agree that all religions have beauty in them.

One more thing, I think I like you :)
 
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loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Yes, I get you point (unlike others in their attempts to find a mistake in your words :p) and I believe it is good. I do believe and agree that all religions have beauty in them.

One more thing, I think I like you :)

Thank you that's very kind of you.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Yes, I get you point (unlike others in their attempts to find a mistake in your words :p) and I believe it is good. I do believe and agree that all religions have beauty in them.

One more thing, I think I like you :)
Not an attempt, and not a simple mistake. A warning against a major mistake with serious consequences.
 

Jiddanand

Active Member
People inherently aren't bad. But some people make them feel bad. No one likes to be bad or be called bad as a rule.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Not an attempt, and not a simple mistake. A warning against a major mistake with serious consequences.

He obviously means that there are parts in all faiths that are beautiful, not that each belief is completely beautiful. Religions do deal with crimes with seriousness after all, is one example. I just took his main point and ignored technicality :)
 
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