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Let's celebrate the beauty of all Faiths

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Maybe humanity, but what about those who have no faith at all, are they animals?:D
Of course i don't agree with such kind of philosophy.

All people are equal. There is no superior race or religion. An atheist often can offer more to humanity than a fanatical religionist. If we try and look at the good in people we can be a friend to the whole world but if we look at people from a standpoint of their faults then being friends is a formidable task.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
He obviously means that there are parts in all faiths that are beautiful, not that each belief is completely beautiful. Religions do deal with crimes with seriousness after all, is one example. I just took his main point and ignored technicality :)

Sorry, I must insist. That is a serious mistake with grave consequences.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
He obviously means that there are parts in all faiths that are beautiful, not that each belief is completely beautiful. Religions do deal with crimes with seriousness after all, is one example. I just took his main point and ignored technicality :)

The world is becoming a village and because of technology and economic ties the different races, religions and nations are being brought together so there is a new reality today. It's no longer sufficient to just love thy neighbour or love thy country. Now the time has arrived to love all humanity.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
How do we love all humanity? Welcome all in a spirit of equality and oneness. Don't say he or she's an atheist or a gay person or a Muslim and keep aloof from them. "Regard Ye not one another as strangers" be kind and loving and welcoming to all. If a person has 10 faults and one good quality, look at the one and forget the ten. Always look for the good in others.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
All people are equal. There is no superior race or religion. An atheist often can offer more to humanity than a fanatical religionist.

You just contradicted yourself. If "all people are equal" then the atheist and the fanatical religionist should be able to offer equal amounts to humanity in all cases.

Besides, the inherent equality of people isn't all-encompassing. Sure, no race is inherently superior to others, kings are just as liable to make mistakes as anyone else, etc., but not everyone has the same abilities.

This is what I was trying to get at earlier, by the way. The phrase "all people are equal" has taken on some new, very harmful, meanings among certain folks. These foster unreasonable expectations of people who have disabilities, for instance. That doesn't mean "all people are equal" is bad and should be discarded, but that it's not perfect or universally applicable.

If we try and look at the good in people we can be a friend to the whole world but if we look at people from a standpoint of their faults then being friends is a formidable task.

Have you ever heard the phrase, "friends don't let friends drive drunk"?

ONLY looking at faults is definitely not helpful. But it's just as bad to ONLY look at virtues. Both need to be looked at and acknowledged. For example, all people ARE equal, IN THE SENSE that we all have certain rights that need to be defended from time to time. But let's not pretend that these rights are usually enforced equally, or that everyone is equal in every single sense. Doing so just further enables the very real injustices that happen in the world.

Let me say this: if I felt your argument was 100% nonsense and didn't have a shred of virtue in it, or if there wasn't anything for me to learn, I wouldn't have bothered responding. I, too, get frustrated when people look at other religions and, based on only a few parts, declare the whole thing bad. Therefore, I try not to. For example, I've tried reading the Book of Joshua, the sixth book in the Tanakh. Twice. I can't. I simply CAN'T read that book. It disgusts me too much. HOWEVER, I have immense respect and admiration for Judaism as a religion, and Jewish people as, well, people. I understand that the Tanakh is useless without the Talmudic tradition, and that the events in Joshua don't necessarily describe historical events. (Even if it did, it'd be all kinds of hypocritical if I used such a history to judge the people alive today). I don't let my disgust for one part of the Tanakh dictate my overall opinion of Judaism. Notice, too, that I referred only to "my disgust" with the book; I never called the book itself "disgusting", nor will I.

I think the spirit of your argument has lots of merit. What I worry about is the fact that it seems based on very basic knowledge of religion as a whole, and how it relates to human behavior and culture. What I'm hoping to do isn't so much to say "you need to stop pretending there's beauty and start recognizing that the world is ugly", because I don't even believe that. Rather, I want to reinforce your argument with acknowledgment that things are imperfect.

If it will help you come to understanding, consider that imperfections and flaws are what makes us distinct and interesting. Perfect, as far as I'm concerned, is synonymous with stagnant, and stagnant water is dangerous to drink. Therefore, having imperfections are actually superior to perfections. Having flaws means there's room for growth and improvement, room for new things. Perfect is also boring. In terms of art, it's far better to be REALLY bad than to be mediocre in perfection.

You may say I'm a fool, feeling the way that I do,
You can call me Pollyanna, say I'm crazy as a loon,
I believe in silver linings, and that's why I believe in you.

;)
 
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Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
And I completely respect that.

By the way, I read posts at random not knowing who said what. I'm not pointing fingers at an ones. I basically tried to console the OP for any possible negative effects.

Which I think is a good thing. As someone who used to hold to the same sorts of views that the OP presented (and who can still be a starry-eyed idealist at times), I understand that seeing them challenged can be disconcerting at best. I'm still gonna do it, but there definitely needs to be some validating voices.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Either Jesus rose from the dead or he did not.
If he did not Christianity is 100% false
If he did and you do not receive him as you Lord and Savior your
going to hell forever
You're assuming everyone who has ever lived has been given this opportunity (i.e. to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior). That's a pretty naive assumption.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
This is where I personally feel humanity is heading:

"The time must come when the imperative necessity for the holding of a vast, an all-embracing assemblage of men will be universally realized. The rulers and kings of the earth must needs attend it, and, participating in its deliberations, must consider such ways and means as will lay the foundations of the world’s Great Peace among men… Should any king take up arms against another, all should unitedly arise and prevent him.” Baha'u'llah
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
The world is becoming a village and because of technology and economic ties the different races, religions and nations are being brought together so there is a new reality today. It's no longer sufficient to just love thy neighbour or love thy country. Now the time has arrived to love all humanity.

That what should happen when the promised one arrive, he'll direct humans to be united in believing
in one God and to submit in peace to him, not to Muhammed, not to Jesus, not to Ahmadi, not to Buddha..etc.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
This is where I personally feel humanity is heading:

"The time must come when the imperative necessity for the holding of a vast, an all-embracing assemblage of men will be universally realized. The rulers and kings of the earth must needs attend it, and, participating in its deliberations, must consider such ways and means as will lay the foundations of the world’s Great Peace among men… Should any king take up arms against another, all should unitedly arise and prevent him.” Baha'u'llah

Doesn't the United Nations basically do that already, demonstrating that such matters are NEVER truly that simple?

Though to be fair, Europe has FINALLY quieted down in the past few decades, at least relative to literally thousands of years of fighting and wars, so there's definitely merit to such assemblies.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Doesn't the United Nations basically do that already, demonstrating that such matters are NEVER truly that simple?

Though to be fair, Europe has FINALLY quieted down in the past few decades, at least relative to literally thousands of years of fighting and wars, so there's definitely merit to such assemblies.

The United nation is useless indeed.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The world is becoming a village and because of technology and economic ties the different races, religions and nations are being brought together so there is a new reality today. It's no longer sufficient to just love thy neighbour or love thy country. Now the time has arrived to love all humanity.
It seems obvious to me that a necessary, even urgent part of such a goal involves learning to both judge the validity of beliefs and expressing those judgements openly and often.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Here are some other beautiful passages I'd like to share with you all which bring light and life to my heart and soul

mt.5.3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Each war brought us closer. First the League of Nations then the United Nations

Not only. Baha'u'llah couldn't have possibly known about what would happen in the next century.

Far more relevant to everyday life is that the two World Wars, and the Cold War, helped give rise to the Computer and Internet Revolutions. THAT brought us closer together than the various councils ever could or will. The Cold War also helped further astronomy, so we now know that we're all Stardust.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I'd like to see Christians and Muslims in particular look past the politics and maintain strong bonds of friendship. I personally love a lot about Islamic civilisation. First the Quran, the people, food, art. I must save up and get a Persian carpet. Then there's the food such as the Korma Sabse and Kebab. My wife is Burmese but knows how to cook Persian. Burmese food is mainly curries. And then there's Arabic, the richest language in the world. Translators of the Quran would have to create 10 Qurans to fit in all the definitions of all the words used. When people attack the Quran I cross reference up to 10 different English translations to get the clearest picture possible of what is meant. Loving all humanity doesn't mean we mustn't be vigilant.
 
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