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Let's celebrate the beauty of all Faiths

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
How about I share with you the Bahai vision of world unity a bit by a time as its extensive. Here's the first bit:

"The unity of the human race, as envisaged by Bahá’u’lláh, implies the establishment of a world commonwealth in which all nations, races, creeds and classes are closely and permanently united, and in which the autonomy of its state members and the personal freedom and initiative of the individuals that compose them are definitely and completely safeguarded".....,,,
So it's a world commonwealth like the United States of America but on a world scale
Now this is the 'background' the motivation for this world commonwealth:

"He Who is your Lord, the All-Merciful,” He, moreover, has written, “cherisheth in His heart the desire of beholding the entire human race as one soul and one body" Baha'u'llah

And "So powerful is the light of unity, that it can illuminate the whole earth.

Too much light is blinding, which does not solve the issue of sightlessness. Shadows are necessary for sight to even exist, let alone be any good.

This is sounding worse and worse. Before it seemed like just innocent idealism, but now it seems more and more like active imperialism. I cannot support that.

Nor will I ever support some young upstart deity who claims lordship over me without my consent, and wants to tie all humanity up like that.

Eiris sazun idisi
Sazun hera duoder
Suma hapt heptidun
Suma heri lezidun
Suma clubodun umbi cuoniouidi
Insprinc haptbandun
Inuar uuiandun!
 
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JoStories

Well-Known Member
Just received some interesting news. This is the 'process' underway towards world peace that is mentioned here. I really hope those suffering religious persecution can benefit from this in some way.

http://www.religionnews.com/2016/01/21/muslim-leaders-plan-summit-protecting-non-muslims-midst/
I think your idealism is great but it will never happen anytime soon, you realize that, non? In the history of the world, there has always been war of some kind. Always. If not religious, which is pretty common, then political and often a combination of the two. People, like Trump ( may he develop boils on his arse) are power hungry and greedy. That is never going to change. There will always be people like that too. And if that horse's arse, and I apologize to all horses on behalf of the ridiculous moron that that man is, were to get to be POTUS, we are going to be at war with every single Muslim in the world, both here and aboard. Your idealism is lovely but rather unrealistic, non?
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
How about I share with you the Bahai vision of world unity a bit by a time as its extensive. Here's the first bit:

"The unity of the human race, as envisaged by Bahá’u’lláh, implies the establishment of a world commonwealth in which all nations, races, creeds and classes are closely and permanently united, and in which the autonomy of its state members and the personal freedom and initiative of the individuals that compose them are definitely and completely safeguarded".....,,,
Lovely. Now let me ask you this...who exactly is going to make sure we have this unity? Who is going to administrate those 'personal freedoms'? See, you end up right back where you started when you place someone in charge as power is a very heady drug.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
There is good in all people and all religions and it would be wonderful if we all appreciated that and celebrated the beauty in all religions and all humanity mixed together in a spirit of friendship. I love the serenity of Buddhist temples and the love of Christians. I have just about every Holy Book in my Kindle and I love them all. The Quran, the Dhammapada , the Bhagavad-Gita , the Bible and the cultures and food of all these traditions are so wonderful. My life is so rich because I feel at one with all religions and all humanity. I don't have to accept one Faith or reject another because I accept all of them and all humanity. I don't have to exalt my Faith over another Faith because their faith is mine also. There is a golden thread that runs through all Faiths. It is that thread which can unite us all.

My favourite verse of the Buddha is " A man may conquer ten times ten thousand men in battle but he is the true conquerer who conquers his own self"

“why should not the followers of each prophet recognize and honour the other prophets also?”

Add your comments or ask questions as to how humanity can be like a family.
Forgive me if I pass on this ill-conceived hugsy-wugsy twaddle. In reality, humanity is very much like a family already - albeit a dysfunctional family, which makes it fairly representative of families in general. In my world, we aren't meant to get along together and sing Kumbaya.

@OP

The problem with celebrating the beauty of all faiths is that some of them are really ugly.
Ain't it the truth. Religions are certainly wake up calls for us to put more money and research into mental health issues. :)

I hope for the day we outgrow our need for the so-called "prophets".
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Too much light is blinding, which does not solve the issue of sightlessness. Shadows are necessary for sight to even exist, let alone be any good.

This is sounding worse and worse. Before it seemed like just innocent idealism, but now it seems more and more like active imperialism. I cannot support that.

Nor will I ever support some young upstart deity who claims lordship over me without my consent, and wants to tie all humanity up like that.

Eiris sazun idisi
Sazun hera duoder
Suma hapt heptidun
Suma heri lezidun
Suma clubodun umbi cuoniouidi
Insprinc haptbandun
Inuar uuiandun!

We need a solution for peace. Do you have an alternative solution? Please put it forward because humanity if it cannot put aside its prejudices will have more conflict until it becomes more tolerant.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Lovely. Now let me ask you this...who exactly is going to make sure we have this unity? Who is going to administrate those 'personal freedoms'? See, you end up right back where you started when you place someone in charge as power is a very heady drug.

We all are. It's going to be something all humanity wants. The cause for world brotherhood and fellowship is spreading everywhere. People are tired of war and conflict people are tired of terrorism and poverty. Humanity is like a butterfly coming out of it'scocoon.

Humanity has a golden age of peace awaiting us. Not a pipe dream. Not utopia. The real thing. Trust me.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Forgive me if I pass on this ill-conceived hugsy-wugsy twaddle. In reality, humanity is very much like a family already - albeit a dysfunctional family, which makes it fairly representative of families in general. In my world, we aren't meant to get along together and sing Kumbaya.

Ain't it the truth. Religions are certainly wake up calls for us to put more money and research into mental health issues. :)

I hope for the day we outgrow our need for the so-called "prophets".

Not about hugging. It's about having a just society where all have rights and food on the table and women can not feel afraid to go out at night. It's about the betterment of the world.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
We need a solution for peace. Do you have an alternative solution? Please put it forward because humanity if it cannot put aside its prejudices will have more conflict until it becomes more tolerant.

Well, let me give you a hint. The amount of drinkable water in the world is RAPIDLY dwindling.
 

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
There is good in all people and all religions and it would be wonderful if we all appreciated that and celebrated the beauty in all religions and all humanity mixed together in a spirit of friendship. I love the serenity of Buddhist temples and the love of Christians. I have just about every Holy Book in my Kindle and I love them all. The Quran, the Dhammapada , the Bhagavad-Gita , the Bible and the cultures and food of all these traditions are so wonderful. My life is so rich because I feel at one with all religions and all humanity. I don't have to accept one Faith or reject another because I accept all of them and all humanity. I don't have to exalt my Faith over another Faith because their faith is mine also. There is a golden thread that runs through all Faiths. It is that thread which can unite us all.

My favourite verse of the Buddha is " A man may conquer ten times ten thousand men in battle but he is the true conquerer who conquers his own self"

“why should not the followers of each prophet recognize and honour the other prophets also?”

Add your comments or ask questions as to how humanity can be like a family.

There is good in all people...

But your post is assuming that there is no true religion...
And if there is no true religion, then this means that there is no true God, otherwise why would he not provide the humans with the religion that can guide them to the truth?!!!
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Not about hugging. It's about having a just society where all have rights and food on the table and women can not feel afraid to go out at night. It's about the betterment of the world.
So.... you think that forces that have neatly divided the world can bring the world together? That's fricken brilliant. Likewise, I get nervous when people begin blathering on about "a just society". Whenever we have tried this, things generally didn't go too well. It would seem that one human animal's sense of "just" is not another human animal's. Therein lies the problem.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
There is good in all people...

But your post is assuming that there is no true religion...
And if there is no true religion, then this means that there is no true God, otherwise why would he not provide the humans with the religion that can guide them to the truth?!!!

I believe in God and that He has a plan for humanity but He doesn't force it on people. He does renew religion from time to time and has brought a religion for our age, I believe.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Well for world peace it requires people drop their prejudices of race, religion, nationality and for the world leaders to come together to work for peace. Peace won't come by sitting on our hands. So part of the 'process' of advancement towards a peaceful society is to promote equality of men and women, promote the oneness and equality of all the human race and promote good relations between people in other words a lot of 'confidence building".
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Well for world peace it requires people drop their prejudices of race, religion, nationality and for the world leaders to come together to work for peace. Peace won't come by sitting on our hands. So part of the 'process' of advancement towards a peaceful society is to promote equality of men and women, promote the oneness and equality of all the human race and promote good relations between people in other words a lot of 'confidence building".

No, world peace will come about when there's:

A. Enough resources to go around, AND
B. Nobody's allowed to hoard all of it to the detriment of anyone else.

That's what I was getting at. The vast majority of wars have nothing to do with prejudice, but resources.

Even then, I guarantee it will not be permanent. Things aren't linear, but cyclical.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Well for world peace it requires people drop their prejudices of race, religion, nationality and for the world leaders to come together to work for peace. Peace won't come by sitting on our hands. So part of the 'process' of advancement towards a peaceful society is to promote equality of men and women, promote the oneness and equality of all the human race and promote good relations between people in other words a lot of 'confidence building".

Several religions promote inequality of men and women, to mention a fairly clear example of the challenges involved in your goals. Any ideas on how to deal with that?

That's what I was getting at. The vast majority of wars have nothing to do with prejudice, but resources.

Aren't most prejudices largely an attempt at finding perspectives for dealing with anxiety due to scarce resouces, though?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
There is good in all people...

But your post is assuming that there is no true religion...
And if there is no true religion, then this means that there is no true God, otherwise why would he not provide the humans with the religion that can guide them to the truth?!!!
It is a pretty safe bet that a true religion by such a definition does in fact fail to exist. No assumption is necessary, observation of reality is plenty enough.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
No, world peace will come about when there's:

A. Enough resources to go around, AND
B. Nobody's allowed to hoard all of it to the detriment of anyone else.

That's what I was getting at. The vast majority of wars have nothing to do with prejudice, but resources.

Even then, I guarantee it will not be permanent. Things aren't linear, but cyclical.

You're right but uneven distribution of resources due to greed keeps the world on the brink.

Governments might have to unite to divide it equitably or face a world war. But the way to start wars is to manipulate people's prejudices & demonise people to justify invasion etc. For instance. Conflict with Muslims is being sold to us as what? Is terrorism being used as an excuse to control,the oil I don't know. What don't leaders stop the Syrian war? They have the power.

We should build a new world and let them destroy theirs.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Several religions promote inequality of men and women, to mention a fairly clear example of the challenges involved in your goals. Any ideas on how to deal with that?



Aren't most prejudices largely an attempt at finding perspectives for dealing with anxiety due to scarce resouces, though?

Education is important and empowering women is also essential. We need more women leaders and in positions of power so we can have a balance in decision making in society. Humanity has been ruled by aggression for thousands of years far too long.

Now it needs a woman's touch
 
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