Let's Give Thanks That A&E Ate That Apple

[Skwim]

Consider.

1) It is estimated that 108,470,690,115 people have lived on Earth.*

2) The world has a land area of 57,308,738 Square Miles**

3) This means that that there would be 1,893 people for every square mile.

4) Right now, with a world population of 7.6 billion,*** there are only about 133 people for every square mile.

5) This means that had A & E not eaten the apple, no one would have died, and today there would be 14 times as many people on Earth.

Think this would be all that desirable; 1,893 people for every square mile versus 133 people?



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[InChrist]

The scriptures don't actually say it was an apple or the type of fruit which was forbidden.
Anyway, you have no way of knowing (neither do I) what the conditions of the world would be like, population or otherwise, had A&E trusted God and listened to His wisdom rather than sinning and bring the earth into a fallen state. If God created this earth as a paradise and told them to fill it, then there is no reason to doubt He could not have beautifully sustained the inhabitants.

 

[Revoltingest]

So this isn't about the Arts & Entertainment Network?

 

[Misunderstood]

Lets not forget, if A&E had not ate from the forbidden tree, there would have been no reason for God to destroy the earth with a flood. Hence no oceans, so we would have more landmass to occupy.

Wow, I could own a bigger lot since there is so much more landmass so now I would not have any neighbors! Watch out everybody, I can walk around naked!

 

[Thief]

Consider.

1) It is estimated that 108,470,690,115 people have lived on Earth.*

2) The world has a land area of 57,308,738 Square Miles**

3) This means that that there would be 1,893 people for every square mile.

4) Right now, with a world population of 7.6 billion,*** there are only about 133 people for every square mile.

5) This means that had A & E not eaten the apple, no one would have died, and today there would be 14 times as many people on Earth.

Think this would be all that desirable; 1,893 people for every square mile versus 133 people?



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and the experiment that was the garden event would have been a .....fail
and the specimens would have been released back into the environment
as apes

and the planet would have turned out like an old sci-fi movie

 

[Skwim]

The scriptures don't actually say it was an apple or the type of fruit which was forbidden.

Yes, I know.

Anyway, you have no way of knowing (neither do I) what the conditions of the world would be like, population or otherwise, had A&E trusted God and listened to His wisdom rather than sinning and bring the earth into a fallen state.

Like so many speculation based conclusions Christians have come to, I don't find this is any more far afield. If death never entered the picture who's to say the population wouldn't have erupted into a population of 108,470,690,115 in 2017?

If God created this earth as a paradise and told them to fill it, then there is no reason to doubt He could not have beautifully sustained the inhabitants.

But he didn't. He knew how it was going to turn out from the very outset. A&E would eat the apple; in turn, for some odd reason, he would make them ashamed of their nakedness; they would be expelled from Eden, Cain would slay Able, and so on.

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[Hockeycowboy]

He knew how it was going to turn out from the outset

What evidence do you have to say that?

 

[Skwim]

What evidence do you have to say that?

God is Omniscient

“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please” (Isaiah 46:9-10).

“He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit” (Psalm 147:4-5).

“From heaven the LORD looks down and sees all mankind; from his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth—he who forms the hearts of all, who considers everything they do” (Psalm 33:13-15).

“Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account” (Hebrews 4:13).

“Whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything” (1 John 3:20).

Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all. (Psalm 139:1-4)
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And being omniscient (knowing everything) he would know how the whole A&E scenario, and everything that followed would play out.

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[Shadow Wolf]

What evidence do you have to say that?

On several occasions the Bible says god knows everything, from beginning to end, that his knowledge is limitless, and that he knows all.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

“He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit” (Psalm 147:4-5).

“From heaven the LORD looks down and sees all mankind; from his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth—he who forms the hearts of all, who considers everything they do” (Psalm 33:13-15).

“Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account” (Hebrews 4:13).

“Whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything” (1 John 3:20).

Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all. (Psalm 139:1-4)

Those ones really don't suggest god necessarily knows the future. Psalm 147 is more understood to mean god knows all the facts of the universe, not so much implying he would have know about A&E eating the fruit. Psalm 33 is clearly more of an example of god having a Foucauldian Panoptic view of the Earth than knowing the future; Hebrews 4 is in a similar context as Psalm 147. 1 John deals with a Christian's relationship with god, and in a similar to context to several Psalm verses where David wrote of god having an intimate familiarity with David, such as 139, and is meant more as we would think of a parent knowing their child or lovers finishing each other's sentences type of thing.
However, there is a Psalm (I don't remember which one), where David did write that god does know everything of all of David's days even before he was born. Your Google search must not have shown that one.

 

[Skwim]

Those ones really don't suggest god necessarily knows the future. Psalm 147 is more understood to mean god knows all the facts of the universe, not so much implying he would have know about A&E eating the fruit. Psalm 33 is clearly more of an example of god having a Foucauldian Panoptic view of the Earth than knowing the future; Hebrews 4 is in a similar context as Psalm 147. 1 John deals with a Christian's relationship with god, and in a similar to context to several Psalm verses where David wrote of god having an intimate familiarity with David, such as 139, and is meant more as we would think of a parent knowing their child or lovers finishing each other's sentences type of thing.
However, there is a Psalm (I don't remember which one), where David did write that god does know everything of all of David's days even before he was born. Your Google search must not have shown that one.

Sorry, but as much as I'd like to know what you've said here, your fuchsia colored font is just too difficult to read.

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[Jumi]

Sorry, but as much as I'd like to know what you've said here, your fuchsia colored font is just too difficult to read..

Bet you'd have an easier time reading it, if it was your echo chamber.

 

[Kenny]

Consider.

1) It is estimated that 108,470,690,115 people have lived on Earth.*

2) The world has a land area of 57,308,738 Square Miles**

3) This means that that there would be 1,893 people for every square mile.

4) Right now, with a world population of 7.6 billion,*** there are only about 133 people for every square mile.

5) This means that had A & E not eaten the apple, no one would have died, and today there would be 14 times as many people on Earth.

Think this would be all that desirable; 1,893 people for every square mile versus 133 people?



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Astronomers estimate 100 billion habitable Earth-like planets in the Milky Way, 50 sextillion in the universe - ExtremeTech

Just in the Milky way, there is an estimate 100 billion planets like earth:

It is estimated that 108,470,690,115 people have lived on Earth.

That's a little over 1 planet per person. WOW! Maybe one can be named Skwim?

You might try thinking outside of your box

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Bet you'd have an easier time reading it, if it was your echo chamber.

I did actually go to change it the other day, but have habitually always went to the same one.
And it's not surprising that the perspective of a former member who can fill in gaps and provide insights into how the Religious Conservative culture and mind works gets dismissed - in this case that when Christians mention a relationship between themselves and god that it is not a one way street of "worship me," but rather god also having an intimate knowledge of them and reminding them he loves them and is always there to support them.
It's not the first time such a thing has happened.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And being omniscient (knowing everything) he would know how the whole A&E scenario, and everything that followed would play out.

Even if he wasn't omniscient, he could have had enough foresight to build a fence... or at least put the tree somewhere else.

Of course, that wouldn't have served the narrative.

 

[gnostic]

Even if he wasn't omniscient, he could have had enough foresight to build a fence... or at least put the tree somewhere else.

Of course, that wouldn't have served the narrative.

Yes, I have made similar replies in past threads, if God wanted Adam or Eve not eat from from the Tree of Knowledge, why planted it at all, or why not planted it elsewhere.

And if god can place an angel with flaming sword to guard against anyone from entering Eden, why not place a guard in from of the Tree in the first place?

That god could use a guard after A&E ate the forbidden and not before it could happen, just only demonstrated God isn’t wise or intelligent, hence not all-knowing.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

God is Omniscient

“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please” (Isaiah 46:9-10).

“He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit” (Psalm 147:4-5).

“From heaven the LORD looks down and sees all mankind; from his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth—he who forms the hearts of all, who considers everything they do” (Psalm 33:13-15).

“Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account” (Hebrews 4:13).

“Whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything” (1 John 3:20).

Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all. (Psalm 139:1-4)
​

And being omniscient (knowing everything) he would know how the whole A&E scenario, and everything that followed would play out.

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Consider.

1) It is estimated that 108,470,690,115 people have lived on Earth.*

2) The world has a land area of 57,308,738 Square Miles**

3) This means that that there would be 1,893 people for every square mile.

4) Right now, with a world population of 7.6 billion,*** there are only about 133 people for every square mile.

5) This means that had A & E not eaten the apple, no one would have died, and today there would be 14 times as many people on Earth.

Think this would be all that desirable; 1,893 people for every square mile versus 133 people?



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Here we go again! (You mentioned this awhile back.)
And here I go again:

You use a source that bases the entire population of humans who ever lived, on the suddestion that Homo saps were 50,000 years ago, and then tie it in with A&E, who per Scriptures lived 6,000 years ago.

You see a problem with that? I do.

 

[Altfish]

So this isn't about the Arts & Entertainment Network?

I thought it was a hospital department, "Accident & Emergency"

 

[Revoltingest]

I thought it was a hospital department, "Accident & Emergency"

The other option is an old school drafting
room term for guys working on drawings....
"A$$es & elbows"

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That god could use a guard after A&E ate the forbidden and not before it could happen, just only demonstrated God isn’t wise or intelligent, hence not all-knowing.

... or that God wanted the apple to be eaten.

... or that the Garden of Eden is intended more as a "just-so story" to explain ancient Jewish social norms (and snakes' lack of feet) and wasn't meant to be taken that seriously.