Let's not talk about the Big Bang

[Subduction Zone]

Please…lol.

Yes LOL indeed. Though he is a chemist he is also a liar, he actually did a mealy mouthed apology to Jack Szostack for lying about his paper. And if you want to see that refuted watch this: He gets refuted by another chemist., and he interviews experts in abiogenesis:

Oh wait, that one says Part 1 that would imply that there is a Part 2:

Once again he is a chemist and he interviews people working in the field. They make Tour look like a dishonest fool.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

IWithout any evidence whatsoever to support such a conclusion!

LOL!

You not being aware of the evidence, or being willfully ignorant about it, doesn't mean there is no evidence.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

You not being aware of the evidence, or being willfully ignorant about it, doesn't mean there is no evidence.

Then stop saying it, and POST it!

Such huge assumptions!

 

[Hockeycowboy]

…he actually did a mealy mouthed apology to Jack Szostack for lying about his paper.

Your grasping…
Yeah, he apologized over what constitutes a sugar. Big deal. He is so used to getting attacked speaking about realities.

But he did apologize… which is apparently anathema to you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your grasping…
Yeah, he apologized over what constitutes a sugar. Big deal. He is so used to getting attacked speaking about realities.

But he did apologize… which is apparently anathema to you.

No, he made several lies in that video. You should not trust a liar what he says about his lies. And no, he did not really apologize. Please note the qualifier that I used. If he had apologized then perhaps he would have got some credibility back. Instead he made more videos.

Tell me, you posted a video of that liar and then have not watched the videos where the evidence that you demanded is given. Why is that? In his own field he is well respected. In his onw field he can do real chemistry. He has no clue when it comes to abiogenesis. It is possibly massive cognitive dissonance.

Here is another video. It features Dr. Gary Hurd. He too is a chemist and was a member here. They go over Tour's lies and his "apology". Also Dr. Hurd was even member here for a while:

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Then stop saying it, and POST it!

Such huge assumptions!

Life is made from the most common elements in the universe.
Life at bottom is just chemistry.
The building blocks of life (previously known as "too complex to have come about naturally!" ) are known to form spontaneously in nature quite happily. We even find them in space rocks.

Those couple of facts alone, is already evidence that suggests a natural chemical origin. Which, off course, is not even scratching the surface.

Dig into actual abiogenesis research (from the source, not from the creationist propaganda misrepresentations) and see what is actually already known.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Bottom line is they are living by greed and this can happen to Christian, Muslim atheist whether they believe God or not
And many religious will unsurprisingly turn on non believers, not because of humanity but difference.

"Yes" anyone can drift away from God. Each are enticed by their own desires.
Many (so-called) 'religious' already turn on non-believers.
Perhaps when Christendom (so-called Christians) try to ' throne / dethrone ' (interfere with the political) that could help give cause for the political (United Nations) to take action against the religious world starting with Christendom.
The U.N. sees the hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today's world.
When 'religion' causes political trouble it puts them on UN radar.
So, with backing the U.N. can be strengthened to become God's Arm of the Law against corrupted religion.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Life is made from the most common elements in the universe. Life at bottom is just chemistry...............

And I find it was just that common elements chemistry that was used to fashion, to form Adam - Genesis 2:7

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I live it every day, truly anecdotal evidence.
And i have never had a non believer try to kill my children or me. I have never had a non believer mock my disability, i have never had a non believer rape me. I wish i could say the same about Christians
There are of course myriad other evidences in life that show abject hypocrisy to to teaching of holy scriptures.
For example, I've never flown a plain into a building or gone to war for the sake of a god.......

Please remember there are both: * the fake 'weed/tares' Christians besides *the genuine ' wheat' Christians.
The fake ' weed/tares' are the MANY that Jesus warned us against at Matthew 7:21-23.
Jesus did Not advocate war - Matthew 26:52 - but to put down the weapons ( swords,etc.)
Christian warfare is Not of the flesh/ physical - 2 Corinthians 10:4

 

[ChristineM]

Please remember there are both: * the fake 'weed/tares' Christians besides *the genuine ' wheat' Christians.
The fake ' weed/tares' are the MANY that Jesus warned us against at Matthew 7:21-23.
Jesus did Not advocate war - Matthew 26:52 - but to put down the weapons ( swords,etc.)
Christian warfare is Not of the flesh/ physical - 2 Corinthians 10:4

I do not judge who is christian or not, and i believe that is one of the teachings in the bible. Matthew 7:1
They come in all shapes and sizes, they come from the worst of people to the best of people. One thing ties them together, they are Christian.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Then why are you putting the “horse before the cart,” as they say?
Prove how life begins, then you can debate on life evolving on other planets!

Your hypothesis is based on assumptions, not any verifiable knowledge.
Sounds like @Subduction Zone with his “almost a given.”

That's how science works... you start off making an hypothesis based on assumptions backed up by verifiable knowledge. Then you test the hypothesis to see if it stands up to scrutiny. No one needs to prove how life began in order to hypothesize how it might evolve on other planets. Not sure why you feel so threatened by the scientific method. It has an excellent track record... it's what enables us to communicate via this website.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I do not judge who is christian or not, and i believe that is one of the teachings in the bible. Matthew 7:1
They come in all shapes and sizes, they come from the worst of people to the best of people. One thing ties them together, they are Christian.

Yes, 'judge Not according to appearance' according to Jesus at John 7:24 and see Luke 7:33-34.
Remember the 'woman' at Luke 7:37 she was a known sinner so the reputation was already known about her.
So, at Matthew 7 Jesus was speaking about ' personal ' judgement of another, Not judging God's judgement.
Thus, Jesus' Sermon on the Mount is an appeal to us to have his teaching principles to govern our lives.
Living principles that the world is now much void of such righteous principles of morality and behavior.
If we continue reading in chapter 7 we find at verse 20 a genuine 'wheat' Christian would be known by fruit.
Remember the old adage that one rotten apple can spoil the whole bunch.- Matthew 7:19
Fake 'weed/tares' are the figurative rotten apples, but they do Not spoil the 'genuine' whole bunch - Matthew 7:14-16
Jesus' New commandment found at John 13:34-35 gives us a clue as to who is a real /genuine Christian.

 

[ChristineM]

Yes, 'judge Not according to appearance' according to Jesus at John 7:24 and see Luke 7:33-34.
Remember the 'woman' at Luke 7:37 she was a known sinner so the reputation was already known about her.
So, at Matthew 7 Jesus was speaking about ' personal ' judgement of another, Not judging God's judgement.
Thus, Jesus' Sermon on the Mount is an appeal to us to have his teaching principles to govern our lives.
Living principles that the world is now much void of such righteous principles of morality and behavior.
If we continue reading in chapter 7 we find at verse 20 a genuine 'wheat' Christian would be known by fruit.
Remember the old adage that one rotten apple can spoil the whole bunch.- Matthew 7:19
Fake 'weed/tares' are the figurative rotten apples, but they do Not spoil the 'genuine' whole bunch - Matthew 7:14-16
Jesus' New commandment found at John 13:34-35 gives us a clue as to who is a real /genuine Christian.

And here is the thing, what is gods judgement? Are you saying you are privy yo your gods mind?
And I've met plenty of rotten christians, enough to spoil the whole idea.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

......... No one needs to prove how life began in order to hypothesize how it might evolve on other planets. Not sure why you feel so threatened by the scientific method.
It has an excellent track record... it's what enables us to communicate via this website.

Yes, modern technology allows us to communicate here.
Sure, God could have used evolution is some lower form of life, but Not where intelligent human life is concerned.
God used the 'already existing science' to form, to fashion Adam ( human life forms ).
Not until the 'sin issue' is settled here on Earth (where it began) will there be intelligent life on other planets.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And here is the thing, what is gods judgement? Are you saying you are privy yo your gods mind?
And I've met plenty of rotten christians, enough to spoil the whole idea.

.... and there will be plenty more 'rotten' ones, so to speak, that makes it look like the whole is spoiled.
That does Not make the rotten ones as right but makes the rotten ones as wrong.
This is why Jesus stressed FEW being on the narrow road in Matthew chapter 7.
God's judgement is: Jesus' New commandment found at John 13:34-35
Genuine ' wheat ' Christians would love as Jesus loved. In other words, have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has. Love neighbor MORE than self, now more than the Golden Rule of Leviticus 19:18.

 

[ChristineM]

.... and there will be plenty more 'rotten' ones, so to speak, that makes it look like the whole is spoiled.
That does Not make the rotten ones as right but makes the rotten ones as wrong.
This is why Jesus stressed FEW being on the narrow road in Matthew chapter 7.
God's judgement is: Jesus' New commandment found at John 13:34-35
Genuine ' wheat ' Christians would love as Jesus loved. In other words, have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has. Love neighbor MORE than self, now more than the Golden Rule of Leviticus 19:18.

I have looked into this in detail and the rotten ones are interpreting the bible (usually the OT) as they see as right. It may not be your way but it is a way of the Christian.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Yes, modern technology allows us to communicate here.
Sure, God could have used evolution is some lower form of life, but Not where intelligent human life is concerned.
God used the 'already existing science' to form, to fashion Adam ( human life forms ).
Not until the 'sin issue' is settled here on Earth (where it began) will there be intelligent life on other planets.

Nice little story you've got there, but not a shred of verifiable evidence to back it up. All intelligent life on this planet, in all it's various forms, developed through the process of evolution. Sorry that you feel threatened by the reality that humans evolved just like all other life, but the science indicates what the science indicates, regardless if it contradicts what your old book claims.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I have looked into this in detail and the rotten ones are interpreting the bible (usually the OT) as they see as right. It may not be your way but it is a way of the Christian.

Or, the so-called ' fake weed/tares Christians ' who are part of the MANY of Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 13:25-30.
I find gospel writer Luke also forewarns us at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 so it should come as No surprise.
Seems as if TV speakers speak of the OT but does Not match the teachings of Jesus especially the $$$$$$.
None of which makes the Bible as wrong, just the speakers.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Nice little story you've got there, but not a shred of verifiable evidence to back it up. All intelligent life on this planet, in all it's various forms, developed through the process of evolution. Sorry that you feel threatened by the reality that humans evolved just like all other life, but the science indicates what the science indicates, regardless if it contradicts what your old book claims.

Sure there is science and evolution is what is as known science, but that does Not mean there is the un-known.
Adam was formed, was fashioned out of the already existing elements - Genesis 2:7
Life does Not come from non-life, and to me intelligence does Not come from or evolve from non-intelligence.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Sure there is science and evolution is what is as known science, but that does Not mean there is the un-known.
Adam was formed, was fashioned out of the already existing elements - Genesis 2:7
Life does Not come from non-life, and to me intelligence does Not come from or evolve from non-intelligence.

Again, it's a wonderfully fantastical story... but with absolutely no evidence to back it up. The only reason you don't think life could generate spontaneously or that intelligent life evolves like all other life is because it contradicts what your old book claims... though even the Pope recognizes that it's purely an allegorical story and that humans evolved just like all other life.