Let's not talk about the Big Bang

[YoursTrue]

I just found your post, and….WOW!
You’ve got a thread going w/ 7 pgs, with posters debating on the evolution of life on other planets, assuming that life can begin naturally!! Without any evidence whatsoever to support such a conclusion!

LOL!

Yeah -- they just think maybe(?) human-like beings could appear somehow in another constellation or planet by meeting of molecules, etc. Amazing. Now sit back...

 

[YoursTrue]

Again, it's a wonderfully fantastical story... but with absolutely no evidence to back it up. The only reason you don't think life could generate spontaneously or that intelligent life evolves like all other life is because it contradicts what your old book claims... though even the Pope recognizes that it's purely an allegorical story and that humans evolved just like all other life.

What the pope believes may have no relevance to those who do not share his take on the Bible.

 

[YoursTrue]

Laugh out loud! “…there now appear to be multiple pathways to life…” , “..the evidence we have…”
What multiple pathways? What evidence?

More unsubstantiated words.

Oh, it gets better. But why waste words with such ridiculous assumptions of the scientific kind? The more I read, the less reasonable it sounds. But they 'know...' lol...Because they figure the first molecules. Maybe knocked on water and rocks and things started. And now their great minds are trying to figure how life got started from non-life.

 

[QuestioningMind]

What the pope believes may have no relevance to those who do not share his take on the Bible.

Of course not, because it's just the bible and no matter what 'take' you have on it, there's absolutely no evidence to support it. That's why the scientific method with it's proven track record is far superior to any religious faith when it comes to determining how life developed on this planet. The scientific method doesn't have any 'take' that it's trying to defend... it simply collects the data and follows wherever the evidence leads.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

And I find it was just that common elements chemistry that was used to fashion, to form Adam - Genesis 2:7

"dust" is not an element.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Sure, God could have used evolution is some lower form of life, but Not where intelligent human life is concerned.

First of all, why would "intelligent human life" be any different then any other life?
Secondly, an all-powerful god by very definition could do anything, right?

God used the 'already existing science' to form, to fashion Adam ( human life forms ).
Not until the 'sin issue' is settled here on Earth (where it began) will there be intelligent life on other planets.

Those are quite some claims.
I bet you can't support them with verifiable evidence.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Sure there is science and evolution is what is as known science, but that does Not mean there is the un-known.
Adam was formed, was fashioned out of the already existing elements - Genesis 2:7
Life does Not come from non-life, and to me intelligence does Not come from or evolve from non-intelligence.

To me, the moon is made of cheese.


Does that make a difference to what the moon is made of?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yeah -- they just think maybe(?) human-like beings could appear somehow in another constellation or planet by meeting of molecules, etc. Amazing. Now sit back...

Why do you constantly lie?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What the pope believes may have no relevance to those who do not share his take on the Bible.

Maybe, just maybe, nobody's take on the bible is relevant to what actually is in reality.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Oh, it gets better. But why waste words with such ridiculous assumptions of the scientific kind? The more I read, the less reasonable it sounds. But they 'know...' lol...Because they figure the first molecules. Maybe knocked on water and rocks and things started. And now their great minds are trying to figure how life got started from non-life.

Those great minds who are working in their field of expertise.
You know... those fields of which you have acknowledged that you are quite ignorant of.

Yet here you are again, proclaiming that they are all wrong and you are correct, even though you don't know the first thing about the subject matter.

GG.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

you start off making an hypothesis based on assumptions backed up by verifiable knowledge.

Yes, “verifiable knowledge.” There is no “verifiable knowledge “ that ‘backs up’ abiogenesis.

No one needs to prove how life began in order to hypothesize how it might evolve on other planets.

Yes, you do. Otherwise, no life = nothing to evolve.

Not sure why you feel so threatened by the scientific method.

I’m not at all “threatened by the scientific method”. You, my friend, have just made a straw man by way of a broad sweeping generalization.
I just like “verifiable knowledge,” as you aptly put it.

And I love the science conducted in many fields.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yes, “verifiable knowledge.” There is no “verifiable knowledge “ that ‘backs up’ abiogenesis.

False. Not being aware of the evidence does not make it go away.
Nothing stops you from reading up on the research.

Yes, you do. Otherwise, no life = nothing to evolve.

That's retarded. Life exists and we can study it.
Doesn't matter how it began.

Just like we didn't need to know how atoms originate to create nukes.
Atoms exist and we can study them. And by what we study on earth we can rationally speculate about the same stuff on other planets.

Life exists and we an study it. And by what we study on earth we can rationally speculate about the same stuff on other planets.

There's nothing wrong with that.
It's just that you feel like your religious beliefs, in which you are emotionally invested, are threatened by evolution theory and abiogenesis research. This is the only reason of your objection. This is why you can't really present an argument against abiogenesis. You don't even have a clue of the state of the research so you wouldn't even know what points your should be arguing against.

All you do is just claim they are stupid and wrong, "because god", period, end of story.

I’m not at all “threatened by the scientific method”.

If not by the method, then by the findings of the method. Particularly in the field of biology, genetics and bio-chemistry.

I just like “verifiable knowledge,” as you aptly put it.

Then why don't you read up on the fields you are hellbend on arguing against?
I bet you can't even accurately summarize how, according to the theory, evolution works and how speciation happens. Much less what the currently pursued hypothesis of abiogenesis are.

So don't come here and tell me that you "like verifiable knowledge".

And I love the science conducted in many fields.

Except when it contradicts your a priori dogmatic religious beliefs.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

That's retarded. Life exists and we can study it.
Doesn't matter how it began.

I can’t believe I need to explain this… as * it * applies * to * other * planets.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Yes, “verifiable knowledge.” There is no “verifiable knowledge “ that ‘backs up’ abiogenesis.

Yes, you do. Otherwise, no life = nothing to evolve.
I’m not at all “threatened by the scientific method”. You, my friend, have just made a straw man by way of a broad sweeping generalization.
I just like “verifiable knowledge,” as you aptly put it.

And I love the science conducted in many fields.

you start off making an hypothesis based on assumptions backed up by verifiable knowledge.
Yes, “verifiable knowledge.” There is no “verifiable knowledge “ that ‘backs up’ abiogenesis.
There currently isn't any Theory of Abiogenesis to 'back up'. Currently there are only hypothesis which scientists are attempting to test and verify. However all of the current hypothesis are based upon VERFIABLE knowledge... such as our knowledge how chemical reactions under various conditions.

No one needs to prove how life began in order to hypothesize how it might evolve on other planets.
Yes, you do. Otherwise, no life = nothing to evolve.
Sorry, but you don't. Abiogenesis and evolution are two completely different are completely different areas of study. You don't have to know how life began to hypothesis about how it might evolve.

Not sure why you feel so threatened by the scientific method.
I’m not at all “threatened by the scientific method”. You, my friend, have just made a straw man by way of a broad sweeping generalization.
I just like “verifiable knowledge,” as you aptly put it.

And I love the science conducted in many fields.
My apologies, apparently you only feel threatened by the scientific method when it reaches conclusions that don't support your religious worldview. Because the scientific method used to study evolution is the exact same scientific method used in the sciences you love. It's been common throughout history. It's just like how many people were threatened by the science that indicated that the Earth orbits the sun, because it contradicted what they'd been taught by their religious leaders.

 

[ChristineM]

Or, the so-called ' fake weed/tares Christians ' who are part of the MANY of Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 13:25-30.
I find gospel writer Luke also forewarns us at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 so it should come as No surprise.
Seems as if TV speakers speak of the OT but does Not match the teachings of Jesus especially the $$$$$$.
None of which makes the Bible as wrong, just the speakers.

If the OT is not needed for Christianity then why is it part of the bible and taught to Christians from a very young age?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I can’t believe I need to explain this… as * it * applies * to * other * planets.

It exists on this planet. Why could we not speculate about it existing on other planets also?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If the OT is not needed for Christianity then why is it part of the bible and taught to Christians from a very young age?

Not that the OT is Not needed but that the wrong teachings about the OT is what is Not needed.
For example: tithing which was a Mosaic Tithing Law ( except during the Sabbath Years - Leviticus 25:1-12 )
At No time do we read 1st-century Christians were commanded to tithe.
The temporary Constitution of the Mosaic law ended with Christ - Romans 10:4; Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:13-14
Thus, under Christ there is No tithing support for the ministry, for those preaching.
- 1 Timothy 5:17-18; 1 Thessalonians 2:9; Acts of the Apostles 18:3

Jesus used the OT to show his teachings were based on the OT.
Jesus explained and expounded those OT Scriptures for us.
Also, the corresponding cross-reference verses and passages show us what Jesus taught.
For example: Isaiah 11:3-4 corresponds to Revelation 19:14-15

At a young age I remember being taught about David and Goliath, Jeremiah in the well, Daniel in the lion's den, etc.
Through 'subject study' we can learn how such people can connect to our day, our time frame.
The rise and fall of that BIG political statue of Daniel chapter 2 shows we are now at the 'time of the feet' (vs 44)
The feet mixed partly with iron and clay. Just as oil and water don't mix nor does Iron and clay glue together.
Today the clay (people) undermine the iron (political) even in voting there is No clear choice.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

It exists on this planet. Why could we not speculate about it existing on other planets also?

Intelligent life exists on this planet because of 'God's breath' for humankind - Genesis 2:7
If intelligent life exists elsewhere there would be No need to settle the ' sin issue ' here on earth.
Because if there was intelligent life elsewhere that would prove faithful life there, so No reason to settle things here.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

First of all, why would "intelligent human life" be any different then any other life?
Secondly, an all-powerful god by very definition could do anything, right? Those are quite some claims.
I bet you can't support them with verifiable evidence.

Sure, people are made from earth's elements to me that is verifiable evidence that we are formed from earth.

Un-like non-intelligent life, intelligent life has the thinking ability to make thought-out choices, Not by instinct .

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yeah -- they just think maybe(?) human-like beings could appear somehow in another constellation or planet by meeting of molecules, etc. Amazing. Now sit back...

First, we need to ' sit back ' because if there was intelligent life elsewhere that would mean they did Not listen to Satan.
Faithful life elsewhere would mean there would be No need to settle the ' sin issue ' here on earth.
It is Not an issue that needs to settled over and over again, but once done means done forever.