Let's not talk about the Big Bang

[Ben Dhyan]

So he did not say that you said that he did. He did not even imply it.

He did not say or imply anything about there even being a "before the Big Bang". And please, don't accuse others of not thinking for themselves when you cannot even begin to. You need some serious education in physics and you do not even understand the basics of science.

I did not say he did, I said it and I stand by it as the proper English expression, but if you insist.

So do you agree with Polymath that there was no existence, and then there was existence with the BB beginning?

I do think it appropriate that people should learn to think for themselves.

So here is my next question, how does something come from nothing, time from no time, space from no space?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Reference Polymath Post #1, 580
To my question, "if the universe did not exist, what would exist? ",
Polymath replies, "If existence ceased to exist, then there would be no 'exist".

So do you agree with Polymath that there was no existence before the BB, no time, no space, no anything.

Btw, isn't it about time you began to learn for yourself instead of relying on what others' believe for your belief.
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So here is my next question, how does something come from nothing, time from no time, space from no space?

It doesn't follow as you claim it, because he didn't say that there was no existence before the universe.
But there is a deeper problem. What he says, is true in his brain. It is rational for his thinking. Now that doesn't mean that existence is rational as such.
For your system to follow you must show that existence is rational as per observational evidence or else you have just shown that you think that existence is rational.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did not say he did, I said it and I stand by it as the proper English expression, but if you insist.

So do you agree with Polymath that there was no existence, and then there was existence with the BB beginning?

I do think it appropriate that people should learn to think for themselves.

So here is my next question, how does something come from nothing, time from no time, space from no space?

No, no next question. You claimed that Polymath said that the universe came from nothing:

"Polymath does not agree, he states that if the universe did not exist, there would be no existence. So BBT means the universe came from nothing. My God, you have your own mind, please use it and not just follow trolls."

You got his claim totally wrong. Now that you are caught you want to run away. No running away.

Why do you insist on using strawman arguments?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It doesn't follow as you claim it, because he didn't say that there was no existence before the universe.
But there is a deeper problem. What he says, is true in his brain. It is rational for his thinking. Now that doesn't mean that existence is rational as such.
For your system to follow you must show that existence is rational as per observational evidence or else you have just shown that you think that existence is rational.

I just addressed that concern in my post to SZ, please read it and understand that Polymath agrees that if there is no universal existence the is no existence.

Do you think there was time before the BB, and give your reasons?

I don't understand this, :What he says, is true in his brain. It is rational for his thinking. Now that doesn't mean that existence is rational as such."?

Or this, "For your system to follow you must show that existence is rational as per observational evidence or else you have just shown that you think that existence is rational."?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I just addressed that concern in my post to SZ, please read it and understand that Polymath agrees that if there is no universal existence the is no existence.

Do you think there was time before the BB, and give your reasons?

I don't understand this, :What he says, is true in his brain. It is rational for his thinking. Now that doesn't mean that existence is rational as such."?

Or this, "For your system to follow you must show that existence is rational as per observational evidence or else you have just shown that you think that existence is rational."?

You still appear to have a hard time understanding what @Polymath257 's post means.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, no next question. You claimed that Polymath said that the universe came from nothing:

"Polymath does not agree, he states that if the universe did not exist, there would be no existence. So BBT means the universe came from nothing. My God, you have your own mind, please use it and not just follow trolls."

You got his claim totally wrong. Now that you are caught you want to run away. No running away.

Why do you insist on using strawman arguments?

It is not about Polymath at this stage, my question to you is, how does something come from nothing, time from no time, space from no space?
Are you in panic mode, you are projecting with the running away stuff, it must be running through your mind.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I just addressed that concern in my post to SZ, please read it and understand that Polymath agrees that if there is no universal existence the is no existence.

Do you think there was time before the BB, and give your reasons?

I don't understand this, :What he says, is true in his brain. It is rational for his thinking. Now that doesn't mean that existence is rational as such."?

Or this, "For your system to follow you must show that existence is rational as per observational evidence or else you have just shown that you think that existence is rational."?

That is rational in your brain. Now you just have to show that it is so independent of your brain.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You still appear to have a hard time understanding what @Polymath257 's post means.

You are trying so hard to obfuscate using Polymath as an attempt to distract from answering the question.
I know you did not like it, but am trying to do you a favor, you must grow some confidence in your own capability to learn things, Polymath, mikkel, et al, are not always going to be around for you for your beliefs.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

That is rational in your brain. Now you just have to show that it is so independent of your brain.

You did not address my questions.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You are trying to hard to obfuscate using Polymath as an attempt to distract from answering the question.
I know you did not like it, but am trying to do you a favor, you must grow some confidence in your own capability to learn things, Polymath, mikkel, et al, are not always going to be around for you for your beliefs.

You have to learn that X is Y in the brain is not the same as X is Y independent of the brain.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You did not address my questions.

Yes, I did. You think the universe is Y. Okay, now show that for the universe as such and not just that you can think it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes, I did. You think the universe is Y. Okay, now show that for the universe as such and not just that you can think it.

Sorry mikkel, your English does not make sense, if you try to answer my questions properly, I may be able to help you compose intelligible English.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Sorry mikkel, your English does not make sense, if you try to answer my questions properly, I may be able to help you compose intelligible English.

What you think existence is, doesn't mean that it is so independent of your thinking.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You have to learn that X is Y in the brain is not the same as X is Y independent of the brain.

I do not have a clue where you are coming from, sorry mikkel, perhaps your time would be better spent learning English?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I do not have a clue where you are coming from, sorry mikkel, perhaps your time would be better spent learning English?

Well, you are a rationalist, because you think, that your thinking/reason decides what the universe is as such.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What you think existence is, doesn't mean that it is so independent of your thinking.

Existence is existence, it is independent of my thought of existence,

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Existence is existence, it is independent of my thought of existence,

That is a tautology in your brain. Now you have to show that there is existence out there and not just the words in your thinking.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Well, you are a rationalist, because you think, that your thinking/reason decides what the universe is as such.

No, do you see the image I posted up thread, the finger pointing at the moon, find out what it means and you will see where I am coming from.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

That is a tautology in your brain. Now you have to show that there is existence out there and not just the words in your thinking.

A concept/thought of an apple is not an apple, an apple is independent of my thought of it,

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No, do you see the image I posted up thread, the finger pointing at the moon, find out what it means and you will see where I am coming from.

Now point to existence is existence like you point to the moon.