Quran and Hadith without tafsir is understandable and out of his meaning in many cases ,so taking the individual meaning , as you do now , is absolutly wrong .
is like learning the Math without explaination .
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Let's Stop Pretending That Islam is a Religion of Peace
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is like learning the Math without explaination .
Many ayat of the Qur'an have virtually no context anyway. What about that surah about Abu Lahab? We don't know who he is.
The surah about Muhammad "forbidding that which is lawful" and we have no clue what it's talking about.
The Qur'an is basically a commentary of things that were happening around Muhammad at that time with virtually no context given at all.
What about this?
Spoilered for length.
“O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), and gambling, and Al-Ansaab, and Al-Azlaam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaytaan’s (Satan’s) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful."
[al-Maa’idah 5:90]
In Saheeh al-Bukhaari (2295) and Saheeh Muslim (86) it is narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one who commits zina is a believer at the moment when he is committing zina, and no one who drinks wine is a believer at the moment when he is drinking it, and no thief is a believer at the moment when he is stealing, and no robber is a believer at the moment when he is robbing and the people are looking on.” This means that such a person is not a believer in the sense of having complete faith, rather his faith is greatly lacking because of this evil action.
It is also narrated in al-Bukhaari (5147) and Muslim (3736) from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever drinks wine in this world and does not repent from that, he will be deprived of it in the Hereafter.”
In Sunan Abi Dawood (3189) it is narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has cursed alcohol, the one who drinks it, the one who pours it, the one who sells it, the one who buys it, the one who squeezes it (squeezes the grapes, etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who carries it and the one to whom it is carried.” (Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 2/700)
In Saheeh al-Bukhaari (2295) and Saheeh Muslim (86) it is narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one who commits zina is a believer at the moment when he is committing zina, and no one who drinks wine is a believer at the moment when he is drinking it, and no thief is a believer at the moment when he is stealing, and no robber is a believer at the moment when he is robbing and the people are looking on.” This means that such a person is not a believer in the sense of having complete faith, rather his faith is greatly lacking because of this evil action.
It is also narrated in al-Bukhaari (5147) and Muslim (3736) from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever drinks wine in this world and does not repent from that, he will be deprived of it in the Hereafter.”
In Sunan Abi Dawood (3189) it is narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has cursed alcohol, the one who drinks it, the one who pours it, the one who sells it, the one who buys it, the one who squeezes it (squeezes the grapes, etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who carries it and the one to whom it is carried.” (Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 2/700)
ok sister because some Muslims had better English than me , you can post THIS thread in Islam DIR if you seek to know answsers , if you want to argue Islam this is the best place .
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True but which are following more closely to the traditions?
With how many other religions are people led to believe a majority of the scholars and specialists of the religion are the brutal extremists?
Is freedom of speech in general, true freedom of religion, etc. a valid interpretation of the traditions or an adaptation to foreign values that don't really gel with the traditions?
That doesn't say anything about putting someone to death for drinking or selling alcohol, does it??
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Many Muslims don't even do their prayers, doesn't change the rules, regs, laws, etc. when people do otherwise.
you seems mixed between the judgement of God in this life and hereafter ?
NOT all Hadiths are correct , there is weak and there is which had doubt , there is inserted Hadiths (fake)
Given the malleability of religions, I favor that no single one dominate in a country.
The peaceful aspects of Islam, Xianity, Judaism, etc will then predominate.
The only religion I trust is Bokononism.
And even then.....trust but verify.
No, but that's not what I'm aiming for. Those quotes basically say anyone who drinks or sells drink is a poor excuse for a Muslim. So I'm not taking info from these so called "Muslims" who drink or sell alcohol.
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Don't pull that on me. Muslims like to say so and so hadith is weak when it doesn't suit him. Those quotes were taken from an ISLAMIC site.
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your OP is taken from ISLaMIC SITE , that's impossible .
We believe that , so what we suppose to say ?
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Dragonslayer
Most times people quote a hadith to discuss what they dislike about Islam it is Sahih Muslim or Sahih Bukhari...what does Sahih mean?
Yet you clearly stated selling alcohol was a crime punishable by death, which is a lie except possibly for ISIS.
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What are you talking about? Did you read what I said? Due to the fact you responded quickly I'll assume you didn't read a single word I said. Read it this time. Did you decide to skip all the parts where it says living with disbelievers is ok, or that you shouldn't harm others? Or are you trying to make excuses to hate a religious group so it'll give you something to hate about?
For your information, the Zoroastrians were not all peaceful. Many groups aren't 100% peaceful. Zoroastrians have had their years of oppressing and war mongering so let's not be a hypocrite here. You're trying to justify hating them. You can't justify hatred and you know that.
Muslims are flat out against drinking alcohol, so are Seventh Day Adventists and Mormons and myself for that matter, so what.
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