Let's Stop Pretending That Islam is a Religion of Peace

[FearGod]

Good post, @Rival

Islam certainly wouldn't be peaceful towards me if I lived in an Islamic state. I'd be killed for being a Devil worshiper, among many other "moral transgressions" (which, in reality, hurt no one). Islam does not believe in human rights, individual liberties, freedom of thought and belief and so on. It is a sadomasochistic religion, so much so that the very word "islam" means "submission"!

Depends in which Islamic country you're living in, so how to blame Islam for it while each country treats it differently ?

 

[Aquitaine]

To be fair, any religion can become violent and oppressive if given enough control over a population. The way I see it, dogmatic fundamentalist orthodoxy is the problem. When people take religion too seriously and let it infiltrate important areas of public life such as Education and Government.

Religions are best served diluted and liberal.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Muslims ruled Spain for around 400 years, didn't Spain become the best region in Europe at the era of the dark age ?

They conveyed knowledge, civilization and science to Europe and not destruction.

How you think Islam is bad while the history proves the opposite ?

The fact Islam, in this particular case, was nothing more than a conveyor of knowledge from the classical world to the medieval - as with Christianity across the rest of Europe, I might add - says nothing to its doctrinal purity, truth-value or inherent claims of morality.

 

[FearGod]

The fact Islam, in this particular case, was nothing more than a conveyor of knowledge from the classical world to the medieval - as with Christianity across the rest of Europe, I might add - says nothing to its doctrinal purity, truth-value or inherent claims of morality.

Did they oppress the Europeans at that era ?
How to be immoral while convey civilization and knowledge at the same time ?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Did they oppress the Europeans at that era ?
How to be immoral while convey civilization and knowledge at the same time ?

I don't know. Historical accounts suggest the Muslims who came across to Spain from Africa were pretty benevolent in the areas they ruled. Still doesn't affect the morality inherent in the religion itself though.

 

[FearGod]

I don't know. Historical accounts suggest the Muslims who came across to Spain from Africa were pretty benevolent in the areas they ruled. Still doesn't affect the morality inherent in the religion itself though.

So we don't have to blame religion since they were Muslims too.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That was written over a thousand years ago and most Muslims don't participate in such acts. Why criticize behavior written in a book that most Muslims don't participate in? What do you gain from it, except for starting up things?

Personally this thread is nonsense.

The Qur'an is not like the Bible. The Bible is a collection of myths, folktales, poetry, aphorisms, visions, etc. that were collected over centuries. The Qur'an was written in a brief period of time and it reads like a lecture, as if the person writing is a medium channeling a spirit that is giving out commands. The Qur'an is meant to be the final and eternal word of Allah. You cannot disregard a part of it using the excuse that "oh, that was a long time ago and things are different". Mohammad is viewed as the exemplar of the perfect human being that all should emulate, similar to how Jesus is viewed in Christianity. He is viewed as timeless, as the Qur'an is.

 

[FearGod]

Islam is clearly a religion of submission and self-subjugation. As a Setian and a disciple of the Left Hand Path I can find no honor or nobility in such practices. Furthermore, in my view submission and self-subjugation = death, hence in the Left Hand Path spectrum Islam is a religion of death.

Submission is a reality whether you like it or not, you can be rebellion but that doesn't change reality.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Submission is a reality whether you like it or not, you can be rebellion but that doesn't change reality.

Then prove it. If you're going to make more claims that your religions is irrefutably true then you can provide irrefutable evidence to support that claim.

 

[FearGod]

Then prove it. If you're going to make more claims that your religions is irrefutably true then you can provide irrefutable evidence to support that claim.

You won't agree with me regardless of the evidences.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

You won't agree with me regardless of the evidences.

Which means said evidence would not be irrefutable.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

not in all issues , maybe in punishement a little bit , it's replaced by human laws (most of them Western) .

btw , I am agree with cut theif hand , and agree with stone cheater , and execute the criminal .

in other hand there is something we consider, the punishement is changed

but important is repent to God is what concern

You support stoning people to death for adultery? And cutting off someone's hand because they stole something?

 

[FearGod]

Which means said evidence would not be irrefutable.

Depending on how you understand it.

 

[Rival]

@Servant_of_the_One1 @MuslimaInBlack

Opinions?

 

[FearGod]

@Servant_of_the_One1 @MuslimaInBlack

Opinions?

If you want to discuss then one issue at a time.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Depends in which Islamic country you're living in, so how to blame Islam for it while each country treats it differently ?

What does Islam teach about what should done with people who worship Satan? Let's just be clear about it. If I lived in an Islamic country that ruled by Islamic law, and I worshiped Satan, what would happen to me?

 

[Rival]

If you want to discuss then one issue at a time.

I'm asking other Muslims to join in. Chill out, they're on your side.

 

[FearGod]

What does Islam teach about what should done with people who worship Satan? Let's just be clear about it. If I lived in an Islamic country that ruled by Islamic law, and I worshiped Satan, what would happen to me?

No body will ask you to swear what you're worshiping, if you don't follow any religion then no one will knock your door
asking you if you follow Islam or not.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No body will ask you to swear what you're worshiping, if you don't follow any religion then no one will knock your door
asking you if you follow Islam or not.

What if they found out about it or I declared myself a Satanist?

 

[FearGod]

I'm asking other Muslims to join in. Chill out, they're on your side.

Lets start with the jizya (taxes) , why you see it as an immoral thing ?