Let's Talk About Shiva

[ChieftheCef]

Looking inward isn't about seeing "what comes inwardly." It's about realizing what is immanent...what is inherent in/as the nature of one's being as opposed to seeking what is transcendent.

Even still my point stands. It is about not all of it. Eastern wisdom has wisdom, but it's adherents take a lot for granted those enlightenend being didn't.

Chidananda rupa Shivoham Shivoham.

I agree, but I see like Kapila. Shiva is yet one of my guides in life. The other is Love and the riverman.

I assure you this is no flaw.

Shiva is flaw. That's all it is, flaw working together. And it makes the most beauitiful picture when casting the gaze outside of civilization. Say, can you do this favor for me: when you be good, be good for yourself, the other and your world because your lasting forever in the eyes of reality actions not only last forever but they impact you, your world and the other.

Besides this I will warn you, Atlantis has been found. Shiva built the faulty eventually too evil civilization on shaky ground. Now it's in the middle of the Atlantic, probably why it's named that honestly. Go figure, anyone could see it all along. But be careful with your monkey paws. You could be under the ocean soon

 

[SalixIncendium]

Even still my point stands. It is about not all of it. Eastern wisdom has wisdom, but it's adherents take a lot for granted those enlightenend being didn't.

Such as?

Shiva is flaw.

Explain.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Such as?

Well I was referring to you.

Explain.

Shiva is the 1/3rd. He is the badness. It fertilizes goodness. But he has bounds, being one in the same as everything else. We all are flaw, we have badness in us. Men do not know meditation, it should be taught in schools. Gives you more intelligence and compassion, oxygen. If you're wise enough, as if it's working better. Shiva is the darker side of the Trimurti. And it's really good because there are tons of ******* who say "no drugs, no sex, no gambling, no dangerous stunts, no making fun of each other, no badness". What does that do? It ****** him off. Literally, gods are just personifications of Nature. It makes everything go backwards when they can't have what they want because they are less happy. Another way to be less happy: deny yourself. Not absolutely, like nothing is, literally. But to deny yourself simple things like sugars, meats, weeds, wines is actually as grotesque as buddha. Shiva wants to remind us, not too much, but not too little. Buddha is right on many things, like whether the world is illusory or whether we all are voidiocity or the middle way, but on that last one there is a caveat, his middle way is not actually appropriate for monkeys, of which we terribly are, so much so that we call other apes monkeys, see I call humans monkeys because they are. Anyway there is a golden mean, not a middle ground to follow. Besides this there is a different set of needs for everyone. Eh, I'm rambling.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Well I was referring to you.

Either you're saying adherents are taking me for granted or you didn't answer my question.

Eh, I'm rambling.

On this we can agree.

 

[dybmh]

I know nothing about the text. View about Bhairava varies some. Some see Him as an aspect, some see Him as an avatar of Siva, (non-Saiva view), and other see Him as a different form of Shiva.

In your community? Is there a primary source for reading and learning about Shiva?

 

[ChieftheCef]

Does anyone known any mantras for clarity of mind? Can anyone teach me how to use a mala with it?

 

[JustGeorge]

Does anyone known any mantras for clarity of mind? Can anyone teach me how to use a mala with it?

My favorite mantra for just about anything is 'Aum Namah Shivaya'. Its simple, and if I'm in an emotional state, its easy for me to repeat.

To use a mala, you start at the 'guru bead'(the largest, obvious on most mala's), and take each bead between your third finger and thumb, chanting your mantra once per each bead. When you've cycled through all 108 beads, you can be done, or do another round, as per your choosing.

 

[dybmh]

From Wikipedia:

Shaivism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"
Shaivite theology ranges from Shiva being the creator, preserver, and destroyer to being the same as the Atman (Self) within oneself and every living being. It is closely related to Shaktism, and some Shaivas worship in both Shiva and Shakti temples. It is the Hindu tradition that most accepts ascetic life and emphasizes yoga, and like other Hindu traditions encourages an individual to discover and be one with Shiva within.
"

Is it a fair description?

 

[JustGeorge]

From Wikipedia:

Shaivism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"
Shaivite theology ranges from Shiva being the creator, preserver, and destroyer to being the same as the Atman (Self) within oneself and every living being. It is closely related to Shaktism, and some Shaivas worship in both Shiva and Shakti temples. It is the Hindu tradition that most accepts ascetic life and emphasizes yoga, and like other Hindu traditions encourages an individual to discover and be one with Shiva within.
"

Is it a fair description?

Its a general one, but fair, overall, in my opinion.

 

[ChieftheCef]

My favorite mantra for just about anything is 'Aum Namah Shivaya'. Its simple, and if I'm in an emotional state, its easy for me to repeat.

To use a mala, you start at the 'guru bead'(the largest, obvious on most mala's), and take each bead between your third finger and thumb, chanting your mantra once per each bead. When you've cycled through all 108 beads, you can be done, or do another round, as per your choosing.

I wish you well on your journey

 

[Vinayaka]

In your community? Is there a primary source for reading and learning about Shiva?

I see Him as a different form of Siva. In my community the primary source for learning is the trilogy of my Guru: Dancing with Siva, Living with Siva, and Merging with Siva. In my second level community (Sri Lankan Tamil Saiva) it would be the Tirumurai, the collective Thevaram hymns of the Saiva saints, as well as the Tirukkural.

 

[Spice]

My favorite mantra for just about anything is 'Aum Namah Shivaya'. Its simple, and if I'm in an emotional state, its easy for me to repeat.

To use a mala, you start at the 'guru bead'(the largest, obvious on most mala's), and take each bead between your third finger and thumb, chanting your mantra once per each bead. When you've cycled through all 108 beads, you can be done, or do another round, as per your choosing.

This is the one that calls the four elements, isn't it?

 

[dybmh]

I see Him as a different form of Siva

If it's not a burden, would you please elaborate on this?

 

[JustGeorge]

This is the one that calls the four elements, isn't it?

Not that I'm aware of, but I'm not aware of a lot of things...

 

[Spice]

Not that I'm aware of, but I'm not aware of a lot of things...

I have a note on a chant that goes:
Om na ma si vā ya

OM -- opening reverence
NA -- earth
MA -- water
SI -- fire
VĀ -- air
YA -- sky/ether

Your's looked like it would sound the same, that's why I asked.

 

[JustGeorge]

I have a note on a chant that goes:
Om na ma si vā ya

OM -- opening reverence
NA -- earth
MA -- water
SI -- fire
VĀ -- air
YA -- sky/ether

Your's looked like it would sound the same, that's why I asked.

It probably is, and you've taught me something about it!

 

[Jimmy]

What exactly is this “divine fire” that Shiva will destroy the universe with?

 

[Vinayaka]

If it's not a burden, would you please elaborate on this?

He can take many forms ... lingam, representing formlessness, is likely the most common. (kind of ironic, but how does one represent formlessness?) Nataraja is another, as is Dakshinamurthi, as is Bhairava, Harihara, Ardhinarisvara, a pillar of light, Sadashiva, and more. With Bhairava, it does highlight His gatekeeper aspect. I'm of the non-Puranic Saivism school of South India. In North India, He is usually presented and talked about as the anthropomorphic figure with a blue face and matted hair. That version doesn't interest me in particular, but that is Siva to many. In South Indian temples, Bhairava is generally right beside the doorway, as gatekeeper.

 

[dybmh]

kind of ironic, but how does one represent formlessness?

Good question

 

[SalixIncendium]

What exactly is this “divine fire” that Shiva will destroy the universe with?

You already asked this in a thread you created.

Shiva

What is the divine fire that Shiva holds to destroy the universe?

www.religiousforums.com

If you want an actual response, you will likely have to reframe your question.