LET'S TALK!!!

[VoidCat]

Folks "care" but don't really care.
The developmentally disabled get stuck in homes for someone else to take care of.
If you care there is a fear that you will be obligated to support them. That they will burden you with all kinds of needs.

The fear of that is just too much for some folks to handle. Takes a special person and I guess there are not many of that kind around.

Sometimes even tho I know its not true I feel like a burden to society because of my disability

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I didn't know there was any controversy surrounding them.

A part of their profits are given to some anti-LGBT groups.

 

[We Never Know]

Sometimes even tho I know its not true I feel like a burden to society because of my disability

We as a species have evolved to care for each other. Many species do the same. Just because someone thinks they are better doesn't make anyone else a burden.
If someone needs special attention, there is someone needing a job to provide that.
We all have our place.

 

[VoidCat]

We as a species have evolved to care for each other. Many species do the same. Just because someone thinks they are better doesn't make anyone else a burden.
If someone needs special attention, there is someone needing a job to provide that.
We all have our place.

Not to mention disabled people have made a huge impact on society from scientists to artists and such

 

[SomeRandom]

Agree and true however, i never said anything about beauty standards or even called the fat chick ugly, my point was its unhealthy. Seems people dont respond to what i said but what they think or hope i said in order to make their lives easier.

You wanted a discussion without science getting in the way. Which in my opinion is just a shallow discussion, but to each their own.
Do you want me to engage in good faith or not? Because when someone says to me leave all citations out, no science, just talk. I assume we will have a drunk discussion about nothing
Either that or giggle over the dirty jokes in the fine arts scene

And that's fine but, again, you did not address anything i said.

What exactly did you say? That you don’t believe a known biological phenomenon that has literally been studied by various professionals in the medical fields exists, in your opinion. I mean what am I supposed to say to that, exactly? It’s sort of like trying to respond to a flat earther who refuses to allow science to be brought up. You didn’t want science. You didn’t want citations or anything like that. So I responded in my own shallow way. I’m sorry?

 

[JustGeorge]

Not to mention disabled people have made a huge impact on society from scientists to artists and such

Is the term disabled correct?

I feel its closer to 'otherly abled'. Everyone's got something they're good at, and sometimes working a little differently than the norm allows you to do things many may not be able to.

 

[JustGeorge]

Do you want me to engage in good faith or not? Because when someone says to me leave all citations out, no science, just talk. I assume we will have a drunk discussion about nothing

Well, shoot... I didn't realize we were having a drunken discussion... Got a drink to spare?

 

[VoidCat]

Is the term disabled correct?

I feel its closer to 'otherly abled'. Everyone's got something they're good at, and sometimes working a little differently than the norm allows you to do things many may not be able to.

I prefer disabled as do most disabled activists... I could get into why but the OP said no articles or YouTube...So if you like I could pm you...I would rather do that then write a long thing out.

 

[Earthtank]

Which in my opinion is just a shallow discussion

Yes, simply your opinion backed by how you have personally reached that opinion.

Do you want me to engage in good faith or not? Because when someone says to me leave all citations out, no science, just talk. I assume we will have a drunk discussion about nothing

Are you saying that without some sort of source or citation you are not able to engage in a good faith conversation? Are you really not able to form an opinion using on your own? Using your own logic and rational unless some scientist or professional tells you its ok?

Either that or giggle over the dirty jokes in the fine arts scene

I don't mind that either lol

That you don’t believe a known biological phenomenon that has literally been studied by various professionals in the medical fields exists, in your opinion. I mean what am I supposed to say to that, exactly?

This is exactly what I was trying to avoid. I never once said this "biological phenomenon" does not exists, again you are not replying to what I said you are replying to what you wish I said. Just like you say this has been studied by various professionals and I assume you take their studies to be credible, I can find various professionals who will disagree that are just as credible but let's not go down that road. Are you not able to justify your position without citing some source or study? if that's the case then.....well I'd rather stay silent on that one.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It did? where? I have no problem people getting offended with my opinions however, I try my level best to never intentionally insult or offend anyone. Big difference

You don't get to quack like a duck and then say you mooed like a cow.

Statement/Example 2: Here’s a controversial one for you lol

 

[We Never Know]

I know because I am not trans-species

Right here you are moderately judging in my opinion.
You are simply an animal species period. Sexual preference or thought doesn't change the species.

Edit; in short.... if Joe likes men, or Mary likes women, or if Joe feels like a female, or if Mary feels like a male, or whatever. They all are still the same species as you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I know because I am not trans-species

That's how you defend yourself? Puking up bile on top of a heap of toxic materials disguised as harmless discussion?
You don't get to claim you are only interested in simple discussion when you start with "here's a controversial one, lol."
You don't get to claim you are interested in honest, open discussion when you poke a hornets nest and try to hide behind a shield of "nothing that demonstrates I'm wrong."

 

[SomeRandom]

Yes, simply your opinion backed by how you have personally reached that opinion.

What’s the saying about people and opinions again? Lol

Are you saying that without some sort of source or citation you are not able to engage in a good faith conversation? Are you really not able to form an opinion using on your own? Using your own logic and rational unless some scientist or professional tells you its ok?

When discussing issues such as sexuality or gender identity I would assume a basic framework of science. Be it biology or social science. I don’t walk into a discussion on chemistry and decide the science doesn’t matter. I don’t walk into a discussion on Shakespeare without the basis of art/language study. Even whilst geeking out. There are certain subjects that have a basic framework and it seems illogical to discard them under the guise of just “having a conversation.” How then does one keep intellectual honesty?

I don't mind that either lol

It’s fun, no?

This is exactly what I was trying to avoid. I never once said this "biological phenomenon" does not exists, again you are not replying to what I said you are replying to what you wish I said. Just like you say this has been studied by various professionals and I assume you take their studies to be credible, I can find various professionals who will disagree that are just as credible but let's not go down that road. Are you not able to justify your position without citing some source or study? if that's the case then.....well I'd rather stay silent on that one.

Which professionals? PragerU? I can find “professionals” that discard the science behind vaccines. I’m not going down the road of being an anti vaxxer just because I can find people with a shiny seeming degree that spew anti scientific propaganda.
Critical thinking and evaluating sources are always welcomed in debate/discussion, aren’t they?

 

[Quagmire]

Yes, simply your opinion backed by how you have personally reached that opinion.



Are you saying that without some sort of source or citation you are not able to engage in a good faith conversation? Are you really not able to form an opinion using on your own? Using your own logic and rational unless some scientist or professional tells you its ok?



I don't mind that either lol



This is exactly what I was trying to avoid. I never once said this "biological phenomenon" does not exists, again you are not replying to what I said you are replying to what you wish I said. Just like you say this has been studied by various professionals and I assume you take their studies to be credible, I can find various professionals who will disagree that are just as credible but let's not go down that road. Are you not able to justify your position without citing some source or study? if that's the case then.....well I'd rather stay silent on that one.

So basically you're saying you prefer opinions formed independently of things like facts or evidence?

Yeah, I think those are called prejudices.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is the term disabled correct?

I feel its closer to 'otherly abled'. Everyone's got something they're good at, and sometimes working a little differently than the norm allows you to do things many may not be able to.

Disabled is clearly better than some of its predecessors. And it is still sometimes the best choice. For example the right to park in a disabled parking space can be based upon all sorts of qualifications. The term gets over the idea that some people have a need to park closer to a store.

But in other places the term "differently abled" may be preferable. I am not advocating for either one 100%. I can see that at times each has its positive side.

 

[VoidCat]

Disabled is clearly better than some of its predecessors. And it is still sometimes the best choice. For example the right to park in a disabled parking space can be based upon all sorts of qualifications. The term gets over the idea that some people have a need to park closer to a store.

But in other places the term "differently abled" may be preferable. I am not advocating for either one 100%. I can see that at times each has its positive side.

My outlook is that some disabled people such as myself prefer disabled...theres actually a hashtag- #saytheword the reason being the only reason people dont use the term is cuz it makes abledbodied people uncomfortable because the fact we are disabled bothers them. They feel the need to constantly change what they call us too and it sometimes feels patronizing. There's nothing wrong with being disabled and all these special terms to many of us feels like you are farther stigmizing us. However some people do prefer other terms. That is on them and you should respect whatever language a person uses to describe themselves. The majority of disabled people I know prefer disabled over other terms with a few exceptions

Edit: wrong hashtag

 

[We Never Know]

My outlook is that some disabled people such as myself prefer disabled...theres actually a hashtag- #justsaytheword the reason being the only reason people dont use the term is cuz it makes abledbodied people uncomfortable because the fact we are disabled bothers them. They feel the need to constantly change what they call us to and it sometimes feels patronizing. There's nothing wrong with being disabled and all these special terms to many of us feels like you are farther stigmizing us. However some people do prefer other terms. That is on them and you should respect that. The majority of disabled people I know prefer disabled over other terms with a few exceptions

Disabled simply means limited, not crippled. Some people can't separate one from the other.

 

[VoidCat]

Disabled simply means limited, not crippled. Some people can't separate one from the other.

And people can't understand that just cuz someone is disabled doesn't mean they can't do stuff.

 

[We Never Know]

And people can't understand that just cuz someone is disabled doesn't mean they can't do stuff.

Exactly!

 

[VoidCat]

@Subduction Zone I edited my post...put the wrong hashtag. It's #saytheword not #justsaytheword