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Leviticus and Homosexuality

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
Okay...so prove conclusively what causes homosexuality.

Almost anything is available via the Internet.

Go ahead.

There is no conclusive proof yet. I am not afraid to say that as I embrace investigative and free inquiry.

It could be psychological, but the evidence doesn't, so far, point to that.

You, however, just seem to have made up your mind and that's that. So there would be little point showing you evidence.
 

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
When I ask for proof I am talking about peer reviewed results from study, research and experiments.


There are plenty. Please feel free to seek them out. I've posted them too many times on this board.

Let me summarise with you:

evolution worked out that the best way for a species to survive is to have two distinct halves of a particular species (male and female). To do this, it created base pair sequences of DNA that rigidly define what becomes male and what becomes female. The method it settled on was that every fetus begins as a female (even in humans) and the chromosomes modify at random during development (you remained female completely by random).

So: (note: the letters are arbitrary and mean nothing except as a visual reference).

Let us say that, using complete arbitrary letters:

XX
YX

Is a male DNA sequence.

On top of this, we have our epigenetic markers

MM -
Gender Marks
XX
YX
FF -
Sexuality Marks


This is our model of a normal DNA sequence of a male with the epi-marks added. The top set of epi-marks inform the DNA that it is male. The Bottom set instruct the DNA to be attracted to females. Bear in mind this is a rough layman's description.

But sometimes anomalous sequences can form. That is part and parcel of 4 billion years of trial-and-error.

These anomalies might look something like this:

Bisexuality:
MM - Gender Marks
XX
YX
MF -
Sexuality Marks


Homosexuality:
MM - Gender Marks
XX
YX
MM -
Sexuality Marks



Gender Identity Confusion:
MF - Gender Marks
XX
YX
MM -
Sexuality Marks


Transexualism:
FF - Gender Marks
XX
YX
MM -
Sexuality Marks



The last two sequences can diversify quite a bit as so:

FF FF FF FM
XX XX XX XX
YX YX YX YX
MM MF FF FM


And so on.

The same applies to females.
 
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Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
As far as I am aware they are still trying to find out the cause or what impacts sexuality.

You would be absolutely, utterly right in your understanding. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that homosexuals are born and not nurtured. They thought they found a clump of genes that could explain it but failed because of not getting a consistency in genes that were on and those that were off. It is a fact that gays cannot help being who they are but there is no gene responsible for someone being gay.


by Dave Miller, Ph.D.
Brad Harrub, Ph.D.

The trumpets were left at home and the parades were canceled. The press releases and campaign signs were quietly forgotten. The news was big, but it did not contain what some had hoped for. On April 14, 2003, the International Human Genome Consortium announced the successful completion of the Human Genome Project—two years ahead of schedule. The press report read: “The human genome is complete and the Human Genome Project is over” (see “Human Genome Report...,” 2003, emp. added). Most of the major science journals reported on the progress in the field of genetics, but also speculated on how the information would now be used. The one piece of information that never materialized from the Human Genome Project was the identification of the so-called “gay gene.”
 
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Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
You would be absolutely, utterly right in your understanding. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that homosexuals are born and not nurtured. They thought they found a clump of genes that could explain it but failed because of not getting a consistency in genes that were on and those that were off. It is a fact that gays cannot help being who they are but there is no gene responsible for someone being gay.


by Dave Miller, Ph.D.
Brad Harrub, Ph.D.

The trumpets were left at home and the parades were canceled. The press releases and campaign signs were quietly forgotten. The news was big, but it did not contain what some had hoped for. On April 14, 2003, the International Human Genome Consortium announced the successful completion of the Human Genome Project—two years ahead of schedule. The press report read: “The human genome is complete and the Human Genome Project is over” (see “Human Genome Report...,” 2003, emp. added). Most of the major science journals reported on the progress in the field of genetics, but also speculated on how the information would now be used. The one piece of information that never materialized from the Human Genome Project was the identification of the so-called “gay gene.”

This is why we study epigenetics as a possible cause now and not genetics. Perhaps if you made any effort to remain current in your study of this, rather than simply settling for an answer you find satisfactory, you'd be with the rest of us in the 21st Century.
 

McNap

Member
If an man also lies with man (zachar), as he lieth with a woman (isha), both of them have committed an abomination (to'evah); they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

And what if a man sleeps with another man, while he never slept with a woman yet?

If a man also lies with man...

Note how it says ALSO !
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
And what if a man sleeps with another man, while he never slept with a woman yet?

If a man also lies with man...

Note how it says ALSO !

Anyway, what ever the twist is, if a man lies with another man, the way lies with a woman it is an abomination.

You are talking about adultery on top of this. I dont know if this can be more clear.
 

Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
This is why we study epigenetics as a possible cause now and not genetics. Perhaps if you made any effort to remain current in your study of this, rather than simply settling for an answer you find satisfactory, you'd be with the rest of us in the 21st Century.

This is indeed the beginning of the disappointment for those who would prefer there to be something responsible and out of their controls to blame their sexuality on rather then just accepting that we are what we are. The clump of genes I refer to is cutting edge technology.

By Sarah Knapton, Science Correspondent11:59PM GMT 13 Feb 2014

Homosexuality is only partly genetic with sexuality mostly based on environmental and social factors, scientists believe.

A study found that, while gay men shared similar genetic make-up, it only accounted for 40 per cent of the chance of a man being homosexual.

But scientists say it could still be possible to develop a test to find out if a baby was more likely to be gay.

In the most comprehensive study of its kind, Dr Michael Bailey, of Northwestern University, has been studying 400 sets of twins to determine if some men are genetically predisposed to being gay. They are testing because they don't know

The study found that gay men shared genetic signatures on part of the X chromosome - Xq28. The big clump I referred to

Dr Bailey said: “Sexual orientation has nothing to do with choice. Our findings suggest there may be genes at play – we found evidence for two sets that affect whether a man is gay or straight.

“But it is not completely determinative; there are certainly other environmental factors involved. “The study shows that there are genes involved in male sexual orientation.
“Although this could one day lead to a pre-natal test for male sexual orientation, it would not be very accurate, as there are other factors that can influence the outcome.”
Dr Alan Sanders, associate Professor of Psychiatry at Northwestern University, who led the study said that it was it was an 'oversimplification’ to suggest there was a 'gay gene.’
“We don’t think genetics is the whole story. It’s not. We have a gene that contributes to homosexuality but you could say it is linked to heterosexuality. It is the variation.”
The study builds on work by Dr Dean Hamer from the US National Cancer Institute in 1993 who also found an area of the x chromosome that he believed was linked to male sexual orientation. It is totally Pie in the sky research.

Last year Canadian scientists found that the more older male siblings a man has, the greater change he will be gay.

They believe that the immune response produced by a pregnant mother increases with each son, increasing the odds of producing more feminine traits in the developing brain of the foetus.

Each older brother raised the odds that a man was homosexual by one third.

Researchers at the University of California believe that homosexuality can be explained by the presence of epi-marks — temporary switches that control how our genes are expressed during gestation and after birth . which is what I said


Daryl Bem, a social psychologist at Cornell University, has suggested that the influence of biological factors on sexual orientation may be mediated by experiences in childhood. A child’s temperament predisposes the child to prefer certain activities over others.
Interestingly no similar genes have been discovered which influence female homosexuality. In other words, environmental conditioning, which is what I said

“No-body has found something like this in women,” he added.

Dr Bailey said environmental factors were likely to have the biggest impact on homosexuality.

He added: “Don’t confuse “environmental” with “socially acquired.” Environment means anything that is not in our DNA at birth, and that includes a lot of stuff that is not social.”
Richard Lane, of Stonewall, said that while studies into the origins of homosexuality have yet to produce firm evidence, they do to point to a biological root.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...ly-partly-due-to-gay-gene-research-finds.html
 
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Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
The bible does not condemn same sex marriage or the love of one Man to another. The scriptures in the old and knew testament both condemn anal sex. Some homosexuals never have anal sex. But that is what the Scriptures condemn, and rightly so. It is unnatural whether it is man on woman or man on man. God sees it as an abomination and if I were to write a detailed account of what happens during anal sex then there would be but a few who would not be disgusted. None of my homosexual friend indulge in such activities and I think I can say the same about my heterosexual friends.
 
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