Leviticus and Homosexuality

[dgirl1986]

Obviously you are completely oblivious to what the Bible says.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
(Mathew 7:21-23)

What the Bible means to you means absolutely nothing to me.

You cannot expect people to obey the bible when it holds no relevance to them or their lives.

 

[Estro Felino]

You cannot expect people to obey the bible when it holds no relevance to them or their lives.

actually Christianity has declared the mosaic Law is outdated.
in fact...we can give a definitive definition of sin-
Sin is when you hurt your neighbor.
Two gay men who love each other don't hurt a third person.
so theirs is certainly not a sin

 

[Sonofason]

You cannot expect people to obey the bible when it holds no relevance to them or their lives.

I don't expect anyone to obey the Bible. I know the gate to heaven is narrow, and that few will enter in. That is what I expect.

 

[psychoslice]

I would like to read the ones that were removed.

Read it yourself, and you will know, you just cannot avoid seeing it.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't expect anyone to obey the Bible. I know the gate to heaven is narrow, and that few will enter in. That is what I expect.

all right. But you don't enter Heaven if you hurt your neighbor.
I am not saying that lust is something positive. But is certainly not a sin...I mean a sin that gets you to Hell.

By the way...homicide, prevarication, abuse, violence, persecutions, treachery, hoax. These are things that get us to Hell

 

[Sonofason]

all right. But you don't enter Heaven if you hurt your neighbor.
I am not saying that lust is something positive. But is certainly not a sin...I mean a sin that gets you to Hell.

By the way...homicide, prevarication, abuse, violence, persecutions, treachery, hoax. These are things that get us to Hell

If I am not mistaken, all sin is quite efficient at getting us to hell. It is only by God's mercy that anyone stays out of hell. By grace we are saved, not of works lest anyone should boast.

 

[Sonofason]

Read it yourself, and you will know, you just cannot avoid seeing it.

Why not start with the ones that were not removed first?

 

[Sees]

If I am not mistaken, all sin is quite efficient at getting us to hell. It is only by God's mercy that anyone stays out of hell. By grace we are saved, not of works lest anyone should boast.

The funny thing with that verse is works = good deeds, accomplishments earning heaven ...not behavior and actions, good and bad, ceasing to be a big deal. Christians always believed in a rotten heart/evil actions being able to damn them - up until some rather recently started the "saved" revolution.

 

[dgirl1986]

I don't expect anyone to obey the Bible. I know the gate to heaven is narrow, and that few will enter in. That is what I expect.

You obviously do expect people to obey the bible and subscribe to the idea of god otherwise you would have responded differently in your posts in response to replies in this thread.

 

[dgirl1986]

Read it yourself, and you will know, you just cannot avoid seeing it.

Are these books actually available?

 

[Estro Felino]

If I am not mistaken, all sin is quite efficient at getting us to hell. .

are you saying that all sinners are equal in the eyes of the Lord?
No sir, please. It is absurd. You cannot compare an adulteress to a professional killer

 

[Brickjectivity]

I bit a kitten once. :sorry1:

 

[Drolefille]

Because God is faithful.

Ah, so believing me means you don't understand something about God. But calling me a liar keeps your faith secure.

And yet I still don't think Jesus would have done the same. I want belief, I just lack it. Much like an ex-boyfriend I don't think I'll return to Christianity at this point, but I'm neither an atheist nor a "God hater".

 

[Brickjectivity]

Getting real about religion, it is always about not what you say but what you do. It doesn't prove anything but 'Religion' means what someone does regularly. Do you regularly help poor people? Then you are religious. Do you look into the affairs of orphans to make sure they are ok? Then you are religious. That is your 'Religion'. Jesus denied the labels that people put onto each other and did not think highly of preachers, miracles workers and talkers.

Leviticus would say the same if you studied it and compiled it into its pure essence. It would say 'Love people' and 'Be good'. It would not say 'Be critical of others based upon their sexual details'.

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

 

[McBell]

Keep in mind my audience. Devout atheists and God haters are not the most receptive audience for hearing and understanding the Word of God.

You did not answer the question.

Why not?

 

[Sonofason]

The funny thing with that verse is works = good deeds, accomplishments earning heaven ...not behavior and actions, good and bad, ceasing to be a big deal. Christians always believed in a rotten heart/evil actions being able to damn them - up until some rather recently started the "saved" revolution.

I did not say that actions are not a big deal. We are known by our deeds. If we believe in God, if we love God, we will obey Him, and we will do good deeds, and we will do good works. But we are not saved by those works. We are saved by grace, and by those good works we can be recognized as living in God's grace.

But I assure you, if you do your good works in order to receive a reward from men, you will not receive any reward from the God of heaven. You already have your reward. God knows the heart of all of us. And we shall be judged according by what God sees in our hearts.

 

[Sonofason]

You obviously do expect people to obey the bible and subscribe to the idea of god otherwise you would have responded differently in your posts in response to replies in this thread.

I respond as I do in these posts because I desire that you understand the truth, and the importance of belief and faith and obedience to God, and the importance of the Gospel message. I desire that all of you are present with me in eternity. I am completely convinced that the Bible is true - not just some of it, but all of it. I am not telling anyone here what I expect of them, I am telling them what God expects of them.

I know that most of you will not change. I know that most of you will never find salvation. Nevertheless, I implore all of you to consider the urgency and the importance of the matter, that you might be saved.

 

[Sonofason]

are you saying that all sinners are equal in the eyes of the Lord?
No sir, please. It is absurd. You cannot compare an adulteress to a professional killer

Without perfection, or without Christ's atonement for our sins, everyone is already in a state of condemnation. So yes, it doesn't matter. Without Christ, you have no hope of salvation, unless you're perfect, and naturally obey God in all that you do. But I doubt that is the case. If so, you would be the second person in history to accomplish that feat.

 

[Sonofason]

Ah, so believing me means you don't understand something about God. But calling me a liar keeps your faith secure.

And yet I still don't think Jesus would have done the same. I want belief, I just lack it. Much like an ex-boyfriend I don't think I'll return to Christianity at this point, but I'm neither an atheist nor a "God hater".

I honestly do not know whether or not you are lying with regard to your claim of former obedience to God, and I do not know if you truly loved Him or not. I do not know what your religious education consisted of, nor whether or not it was a sincere endeavor.

But I do know that you are right about something. I do not understand everything about God. I suppose, it would not be inaccurate for me to say, that I know very little about God.

I know that God is faithful to those who love and obey Him. So if you have been faithful to God, and if you have loved God, I really cannot say with any certainty why God is, as you say, ignoring you. If I knew, I would tell you.

I suppose I could continue grasping at straws. Maybe it's this, or maybe it's that. Maybe God has revealed Himself to you and you missed it. I just don't know. I am sorry that you find yourself in this present state of having lost all faith in God. But I hope that God will reach down and reveal His love for you soon.

 

[Sonofason]

You did not answer the question.

Why not?

Perhaps I did not answer the question to your satisfaction, but I am not overly compelled to answer questions to your satisfaction. I answer questions as I see fit to answer them, in all cases.