[LHP only] What is left hand path?

[1137]

How do you define and quantify "superiority" and "inferiority"?

If I try to wrestle a tiger it will tear me to shreds. It has superior physical strength.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

As far as that source is concerned,

"Know, then, that throughout the great Cosmos there exists
a sublime order, whose nature was determined in eons long
past by that singular consciousness of all order which Is
now called by name God. Consider well the measure of this
achievement, for all that is now behavioral law was then
absent, and it was the epoch of Universal chaos. Even time
itself was unknown, for this Universal inconsistency was
nowhere breached.
And after uncounted ages of this great ferment, a force
fused to focus that became God, and this force presumed to
effect not the creation of substance and energy - for these
transcended this God - but the conformation of all the
Universe to a single and supreme order. And not yet is this
order absolute, though oft it may have been supposed thus
by man in his innocence.

The Earth of man was infused with this divine order, and all
that was on Earth came under the force of the order. and
upon this Earth, born of cosmic incidence, was that which
was to become man, but man no different from the other
creatures whose world he shared. Thus was the force of
God known upon Earth, and thus was Earth intended to
remain for all time."

Sounds like the Neoplatonic/Gnostic Demiurge. Much of Western Satanism and Luciferianism is Gnostic in its origins, hence all the dualism in it.

 

[EtuMalku]

*Brahman, "Brahmin" is the Vedic priestly caste

My mistake 'Brahman'

How can you "separate" yourself from the Cosmos, which is all there is?

I don't know why you would suppose that?
The soul or self does not behave as though it were merely a “sum total” of the brain’s sensory and manipulative capacities, combining and recombining inputted information as though it were an “organic” electronic computer. It has a sense of identity, a sense of uniqueness, a sense of distance and differentiation from everything else that exists.

And define "objective reality".

The Objective Universe is a non-conscious, unintelligent memetic mechanism composed of Time, Space & Matter, Objectve Reality would be when the world itself is seen as the basis for all knowledge.

The WLHP relies far too much on Western philosophical dualism for my tastes.

Not true, in fact the WLHP ultimately dissolves all dualism into a Baphometic Harmony (not union).

So when you realize this "separation", this apotheosis, what would this be like? Will you somehow leave the Cosmos? What will become of you when this universe is dissolved (such as by the Big Crunch or the Big Freeze)?

If you have experienced / realized your higher Self, then you have experienced this separation and the harmony of self with Self (Isolate Intelligence). This Self exists separate of the Objective Universe therefore when it (OU) is no more, it is of little concern to the Self.
The OU is not the jar which holds one's Subjective Universe.

 

[EtuMalku]

So are a plethora of other species. I'm not an anthropocentrist. Humans aren't special in the grand scheme of things, imo.

Of course we are . . .

Proto-man was just one of many animal species fighting for survival over the millennia. If his brain could evolve through processes of natural selection, then why did the brains of other creatures not similarly evolve - at least a little? The fact is that the brains of other creatures have remained practically the same size while man’s has “evolved”. This is inconsistent, and it will be recalled that the hallmark of the objective universe - and deistic proof of God - is its consistency. By the law of averages - which applies to natural selection as much as to anything else - there should have been at least some species other than man evolving in intelligence at least partway to the human level. There is none.

The soul or self does not behave as though it were merely a “sum total” of the brain’s sensory and manipulative capacities, combining and recombining inputted information as though it were an “organic” electronic computer. It has a sense of identity, a sense of uniqueness, a sense of distance and differentiation from everything else that exists. The philosophy of H☿D proposes that we have a superior intellect and that this is not a property of the objective universe / physical plane, that it is the resultant of us being the only creature with a higher Self that acts through our 'lower' self.

By the laws of nature that we have observed over time, by all accounts another species should have developed at least a brain remotely close to ours. And none have, for the most part every single surviving creature has remained exactly the same except us.
So what has taken place?

We are left with the explanation: Deliberate Cause
And this implies an isolate intelligence working through our physical being (brain / body)

 

[1137]

Of course we are . . .

Proto-man was just one of many animal species fighting for survival over the millennia. If his brain could evolve through processes of natural selection, then why did the brains of other creatures not similarly evolve - at least a little? The fact is that the brains of other creatures have remained practically the same size while man’s has “evolved”. This is inconsistent, and it will be recalled that the hallmark of the objective universe - and deistic proof of God - is its consistency. By the law of averages - which applies to natural selection as much as to anything else - there should have been at least some species other than man evolving in intelligence at least partway to the human level. There is none.

The soul or self does not behave as though it were merely a “sum total” of the brain’s sensory and manipulative capacities, combining and recombining inputted information as though it were an “organic” electronic computer. It has a sense of identity, a sense of uniqueness, a sense of distance and differentiation from everything else that exists. The philosophy of H☿D proposes that we have a superior intellect and that this is not a property of the objective universe / physical plane, that it is the resultant of us being the only creature with a higher Self that acts through our 'lower' self.

By the laws of nature that we have observed over time, by all accounts another species should have developed at least a brain remotely close to ours. And none have, for the most part every single surviving creature has remained exactly the same except us.
So what has taken place?

We are left with the explanation: Deliberate Cause
And this implies an isolate intelligence working through our physical being (brain / body)

The isolate intelligence also appeared tens of thousands of years after human beings had come around, brain and all.

 

[EtuMalku]

The isolate intelligence also appeared tens of thousands of years after human beings had come around, brain and all.

Uh oh . . . are you on the verge of introducing extraterrestrials into this conversation?

 

[1137]

Uh oh . . . are you on the verge of introducing extraterrestrials into this conversation?

Certainly not. There are many less ridiculous theories, though perhaps you could consider a mystical force or some sort of deity "extraterrestrial". But the upper paleolithic revolution happened one way or another.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't know why you would suppose that?

What exists outside of the Cosmos?

The soul or self does not behave as though it were merely a “sum total” of the brain’s sensory and manipulative capacities, combining and recombining inputted information as though it were an “organic” electronic computer. It has a sense of identity, a sense of uniqueness, a sense of distance and differentiation from everything else that exists.

I never claimed that the soul is a product of the brain. I do not believe that. What you are describing is the Ego and it is a result of a certain level of perception.

The Objective Universe is a non-conscious, unintelligent memetic mechanism composed of Time, Space & Matter, Objectve Reality would be when the world itself is seen as the basis for all knowledge.

I would say that's a very outdated view. Quantum physics appears to be showing otherwise.

Not true, in fact the WLHP ultimately dissolves all dualism into a Baphometic Harmony (not union).

Objective vs. Subjective Reality is a dualism.

If you have experienced / realized your higher Self, then you have experienced this separation and the harmony of self with Self (Isolate Intelligence). This Self exists separate of the Objective Universe therefore when it (OU) is no more, it is of little concern to the Self.
The OU is not the jar which holds one's Subjective Universe.

I've never felt separated from the world, just that I was observing what is going on around from me from a more detached state.

 

[EtuMalku]

The isolate intelligence also appeared tens of thousands of years after human beings had come around, brain and all.

I wouldn't assume one's Isolate Intelligence just popped into existence, more like the other way around, Man is basically a dumbed-down version of his higher Self. There is no reason why the most primitive man could not experience higher Self.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Of course we are . . .

Proto-man was just one of many animal species fighting for survival over the millennia. If his brain could evolve through processes of natural selection, then why did the brains of other creatures not similarly evolve - at least a little? The fact is that the brains of other creatures have remained practically the same size while man’s has “evolved”. This is inconsistent, and it will be recalled that the hallmark of the objective universe - and deistic proof of God - is its consistency. By the law of averages - which applies to natural selection as much as to anything else - there should have been at least some species other than man evolving in intelligence at least partway to the human level. There is none.

That's just anthropocentric garbage. If you're going by brain size, dolphins and whales have much larger brains than us and their brains are much more complex in some areas than ours are. Such species are known to have very complex societies and even cultures (orcas have cultures, including languages, that differ by group.) The real difference is in the human ability to make tools because of the setup of our body.

Brain size isn't really a determinant of intelligence, anyway, since it's being discovered that insects can think, too.

The soul or self does not behave as though it were merely a “sum total” of the brain’s sensory and manipulative capacities, combining and recombining inputted information as though it were an “organic” electronic computer. It has a sense of identity, a sense of uniqueness, a sense of distance and differentiation from everything else that exists. The philosophy of H☿D proposes that we have a superior intellect and that this is not a property of the objective universe / physical plane, that it is the resultant of us being the only creature with a higher Self that acts through our 'lower' self.

By the laws of nature that we have observed over time, by all accounts another species should have developed at least a brain remotely close to ours. And none have, for the most part every single surviving creature has remained exactly the same except us.
So what has taken place?

We are left with the explanation: Deliberate Cause
And this implies an isolate intelligence working through our physical being (brain / body)

Are you a Deist living in the 18th century?

 

[1137]

I wouldn't assume one's Isolate Intelligence just popped into existence, more like the other way around, Man is basically a dumbed-down version of his higher Self. There is no reason why the most primitive man could not experience higher Self.

But the first time we see man as more than an animal is around 100,000 years ago. Nothing even hinting at spiritual experience seems to have existed before on earth before then.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

But the first time we see man as more than an animal is around 100,000 years ago. Nothing even hinting at spiritual experience seems to have existed before on earth before then.

Scientifically speaking, we're never more than animals. Non-human animals have experiences we can classify as spiritual experiences, too. An experience of rapture and awe, for example.

 

[EtuMalku]

What exists outside of the Cosmos?

Everything that is not part of that

I never claimed that the soul is a product of the brain. I do not believe that. What you are describing is the Ego and it is a result of a certain level of perception.

I have a different understanding of Ego, which is the balance between Id (reptilian/animal/instinctual) self and the Superego (inflated, megalomania, delusion of grandeur) self.

I would say that's a very outdated view. Quantum physics appears to be showing otherwise.

Like? I see the latest understanding being that of the Slit Experiment which actually verifies subjective reality being all there is . . . there ain't no objective universe, it is an illusion. Something the far East has understood for millennia

Objective vs. Subjective Reality is a dualism.

only because we perceive duality . . . but in fact both are unique unto themselves, furthermore when one puts mind to it, there is no such thing as duality . . . that too is an illusion.

I've never felt separated from the world, just that I was observing what is going on around from me from a more detached state.

What can I say . . . you're a lousy Satanist

 

[EtuMalku]

But the first time we see man as more than an animal is around 100,000 years ago. Nothing even hinting at spiritual experience seems to have existed before on earth before then.

Well that assumption is amazing since there are no records from man until the Sumerians . . .

 

[EtuMalku]

Scientifically speaking, we're never more than animals. Non-human animals have experiences we can classify as spiritual experiences, too. An experience of rapture and awe, for example.

Perhaps they do, but do they experience their Isolate Intelligence? Why haven't ANY of these animals progressed mentally like we have?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Everything that is not part of that

How can something exist outside of the Cosmos? Even a different dimension is technically part of the Cosmos.

I have a different understanding of Ego, which is the balance between Id (reptilian/animal/instinctual) self and the Superego (inflated, megalomania, delusion of grandeur) self.

Well, I'm using "Ego" in the Eastern way, not in the psychoanalytic fashion.

Like? I see the latest understanding being that of the Slit Experiment which actually verifies subjective reality being all there is . . . there ain't no objective universe, it is an illusion. Something the far East has understood for millennia

Now you seem to be contradicting yourself. Now you're saying that objective reality doesn't exist, whereas you usually rail against it as something we're hindered by and should revolt against.

only because we perceive duality . . . but in fact both are unique unto themselves, furthermore when one puts mind to it, there is no such thing as duality . . . that too is an illusion.

Now you're sounding Eastern.

What can I say . . . you're a lousy Satanist

I'm not interested in your personal opinions about me. There's also nothing that says that I must reach the same conclusions as you. Get over yourself.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Perhaps they do, but do they experience their Isolate Intelligence? Why haven't ANY of these animals progressed mentally like we have?

What is "progression" and why do you think "isolate intelligence" exists in the first place? You're throwing out a lot of abstract concepts that aren't proven to exist outside of the social constructs of humans. Even all humans don't agree with you. I personally think that humans are one of the dumbest species there is. We're the most self-deluded species on this planet.

 

[EtuMalku]

What is "progression" and why do you think "isolate intelligence" exists in the first place? You're throwing out a lot of abstract concepts that aren't proven to exist outside of the social constructs of humans. Even all humans don't agree with you. I personally think that humans are one of the dumbest species there is.

You know a banker see life as a bank, a farmer sees it as a farm, the warrior as war . . . if you see it as dumb what does that say about you?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You know a banker see life as a bank, a farmer sees it as a farm, the warrior as war . . . if you see it as dumb what does that say about you?

I'm saying that we're stupid because we're destroying this planet along with a multitude of other lifeforms we share it with in the name of vain profit and greed, and we're arrogant morons who think we're somehow superior. Our cultures tend to be vapid and we allow ourselves to be enslaved and limited. Yes, humans are so wonderful. Hurrah, hurrah.

 

[1137]

Scientifically speaking, we're never more than animals. Non-human animals have experiences we can classify as spiritual experiences, too. An experience of rapture and awe, for example.

Categorizing spiritual experience that was can get fuzzy. There is undeniably something unique about humans that allows us to step outside of, question, and manipulate nature in line with out will.

Well that assumption is amazing since there are no records from man until the Sumerians . . .

Well yeah, language and writing couldn't develop before an isolate intelligence.