[LHP only] What is left hand path?

[EtuMalku]

Well, there is the exploration of ones dark side in the WLHP--in order to get to know it and understand it instead of repressing it--so it can be individuated. So it's not like they are totally without common ground.

Practices from ALL religious / beliefs / cultures can and are useful to the WLHP, however only the goal of the WLHP (now I hate that acronym!) is unique to itself and really is not the goal of any other system found in Mankind

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Well, there is the exploration of ones dark side in the WLHP--in order to get to know it and understand it instead of repressing it--so it can be individuated. So it's not like they are totally without common ground.

Is there though? The second anything 'illegal' or 'immoral' is brought to the table these 'WLHP' people tend to react with the same amount of horror and outrage as any christian or muslim would. Their 'dark side' seems only a talking point, to be kept at at least a good arms length.

 

[crossfire]

And I do. Thanks blavatsky.

It's all right here. I know I know, sourcing myself is lame. But afaik I'm the only one to have connected these particular dots in written form, so it's not like I have options

In your blogpost linked above, I disagree with your assertion the egalitarianism is collectivist. Rather, I see it as recognizing the sacredness of the individual, whereas collectivism does not view the individual as sacred. (And frequently broadbrushes whole groups of individuals with an idealized collective label in order to excuse any collateral damage done to innocent individuals.)

 

[EtuMalku]

Is there though? The second anything 'illegal' or 'immoral' is brought to the table these 'WLHP' people tend to react with the same amount of horror and outrage as any christian or muslim would. Their 'dark side' seems only a talking point, to be kept at at least a good arms length.

A real WLHP'er understands that morals / ethics are subjective and individual . . . whether certain ones are enforced by a community is beside the point

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Practices from ALL religious / beliefs / cultures can and are useful to the WLHP, however only the goal of the WLHP (now I hate that acronym!) is unique to itself and really is not the goal of any other system found in Mankind

Exactly. The likes of Aquino and company have something that is, unique, not really subject to the eastern classification of left vs right. it's something entirely different.

If anything, it does it a disservice to try to jam a tetrahedron into a round hole.

 

[crossfire]

Practices from ALL religious / beliefs / cultures can and are useful to the WLHP, however only the goal of the WLHP (now I hate that acronym!) is unique to itself and really is not the goal of any other system found in Mankind

Your mileage may vary.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

A real WLHP'er understands that morals / ethics are subjective and individual . . . whether certain ones are enforced by a community is beside the point

If that is so, based on past interactions, these 'real WLHPers' are a rare bird indeed.

 

[1137]

I think the point trying to be made with Blavatsky is how she completely screwed up the meaning behind ELHP tenets and tried to force them into a Western view. She completely annihilated Lucifer. It's because of her that we mistakenly associate the term LHP with anything termed WLHP

That's fair. But a whole new tradition started with the satanic movement in the 60s and 70s.

 

[crossfire]

Is there though? The second anything 'illegal' or 'immoral' is brought to the table these 'WLHP' people tend to react with the same amount of horror and outrage as any christian or muslim would. Their 'dark side' seems only a talking point, to be kept at at least a good arms length.

Well, with the WLHP, you want to become an individual--and not project your individual psychological hang-ups onto others. You really aren't "sovereign" of your mind in this case--you are engaging in collectivist behaviour by projecting and acting upon your hang-ups, and going along with others who want to engage in projecting their hang-ups...

 

[EtuMalku]

SO . . . what could we possibly re-term the Western Left Hand Path?
Jeremy Crow has suggested 'The Complete Path' . . . but I don't like it for some reason

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

In your blogpost linked above, I disagree with your assertion the egalitarianism is collectivist. Rather, I see it as recognizing the sacredness of the individual, whereas collectivism does not view the individual as sacred. (And frequently broadbrushes whole groups of individuals with an idealized collective label in order to excuse any collateral damage done to innocent individuals.)

Well, this is getting off topic now(new thread?) but how can an 'individual be sacred' if there are billions of individuals that are all exactly equal? If anything that makes the individual worthless. Only if an individual can be cultivated to be 'more' can that individual be 'sacred' What does Sacred even mean in this context?

 

[crossfire]

Well, with the WLHP, you want to become an individual--and not project your individual psychological hang-ups onto others. You really aren't "sovereign" of your mind in this case--you are engaging in collectivist behaviour by projecting and acting upon your hang-ups, and going along with others who want to engage in projecting their hang-ups...

This would make introversion an asset in the WLHP.

 

[crossfire]

Well, this is getting off topic now(new thread?) but how can an 'individual be sacred' if there are billions of individuals that are all exactly equal? If anything that makes the individual worthless. Only if an individual can be cultivated to be 'more' can that individual be 'sacred' What does Sacred even mean in this context?

When you make a sacred space, you draw some sort of boundary separating the sacred from the profane, no? Personal boundaries are what makes an individual sacred. Narcissists and Collectivists have difficulty recognizing personal boundaries--or disregard them altogether.

 

[crossfire]

Well, this is getting off topic now(new thread?) but how can an 'individual be sacred' if there are billions of individuals that are all exactly equal? If anything that makes the individual worthless. Only if an individual can be cultivated to be 'more' can that individual be 'sacred' What does Sacred even mean in this context?

Actually, Individualism is a major factor in the WLHP, so it is on topic.

 

[1137]

Well, this is getting off topic now(new thread?) but how can an 'individual be sacred' if there are billions of individuals that are all exactly equal? If anything that makes the individual worthless. Only if an individual can be cultivated to be 'more' can that individual be 'sacred' What does Sacred even mean in this context?

The WLHP doesn't see all individuals as equal.

 

[crossfire]

The WLHP doesn't see all individuals as equal.

Egalitarianism means "equal rights" as individuals. These rights are inherent to the individual. Everyone is in various stages of development, so they are not "equal" in that respect. However, individuals being in various stages of development by no means invalidates their rights as an individual.

 

[Sutekh]

Actually, Individualism is a major factor in the WLHP, so it is on topic.

I am very individualistic as a matter of fact. My only weakness that I have tends to be accepting or not accepting egalitarianism. I primarily believe in some aspects of social Darwinism.

 

[crossfire]

I am very individualistic as a matter of fact. My only weakness that I have tends to be accepting or not accepting egalitarianism. I primarily believe in some aspects of social Darwinism.

There is nothing wrong with healthy competition and such as long as personal boundaries are honored, imo. It has been shown that it can strengthen individuals. Your mileage may vary.

 

[EtuMalku]

I disagree with Social Darwinism . . .
Proto-man was just one of many animal species fighting for survival over the millennia. If his brain could evolve through processes of natural selection, then why did the brains of other creatures not similarly evolve - at least a little? The fact is that the brains of other creatures have remained practically the same size while man’s has “evolved”.

By the laws of nature that we have observed over time, by all accounts another species should have developed at least a brain remotely close to ours. And none have, for the most part every single surviving creature has remained exactly the same except us.
So what has taken place?

We are left with the explanation: Deliberate Cause
And this implies an isolate intelligence working through our physical being (brain / body)

 

[Sutekh]

There is nothing wrong with healthy competition and such as long as personal boundaries are honored, imo. It has been shown that it can strengthen individuals. Your mileage may vary.

The left hand path has also changed my political views as well speaking of individualism, you may consider it odd but it made me become more of a leftist type. I also have many regrets on my past life of the bad things I did however I do not dwell on it.