[LHP only] What is left hand path?

[crossfire]

No, and no.

Heterodoxy is a small part, the face of a die. The LHP is ultimately about dispelling dualism through facing off with your 'nastika.'

There is no Western or Eastern, just different cultures this same method can be applied in.

It isn't a lack of tradition(I am certainly no aghori), but a lack of substance, that I take issue with.

What sort of "substance" would you like to see?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Disagree fully . . . the goal of Eastern LHP is not the same goal of Western LHP

Of course not. because what you call 'western left hand path' bares no resemblance to LHP work or understanding. It's something else entirely, something that fits in the categorization of 'right hand' under the original, non retconned dichotomy.

Completely different animals, not even of the same genus.

A true 'western' LHP would be to apply these same tried and true methods and principles and apply them in the west. Plenty of us are doing that already, without the need to retcon and redefine existing terms.

 

[1137]

Of course not. because what you call 'western left hand path' bares no resemblance to LHP work or understanding. It's something else entirely, something that fits in the categorization of 'right hand' under the original, non retconned dichotomy.

Completely different animals, not even of the same genus.

A true 'western' LHP would be to apply these same tried and true methods and principles and apply them in the west. Plenty of us are doing that already, without the need to retcon and redefine existing terms.

Again, it's interesting and ironic that you call yourself LHP but can't accept or even consider a philosophy not based on tradition. That's as RHP as it gets.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

What sort of "substance" would you like to see?

Some coherency would be a good start.

Say I decide I am a christian. Ok. I don't believe in christ, I don't believe in heaven, or any gods, or devils, or the bible. I don't believe in or live by any christian values or tenets, but I really like the way 'christian' rolls off my tongue. So, I boldly declare myself the envoy of 'western christianity' and believe and do what I already believed and did, just with a new snazzy title!

Exactly the same thing.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Again, it's interesting and ironic that you call yourself LHP but can't accept or even consider a philosophy not based on tradition. That's as RHP as it gets.

Thank you for again demonstrating that you don't read the posts you reply to. I said the exact opposite my very last post!

It isn't a lack of tradition(I am certainly no aghori), but a lack of substance, that I take issue with.

And you wonder why you aren't taken too seriously...

 

[EtuMalku]

Of course not. because what you call 'western left hand path' bares no resemblance to LHP work or understanding. It's something else entirely, something that fits in the categorization of 'right hand' under the original, non retconned dichotomy.

Completely different animals, not even of the same genus.

A true 'western' LHP would be to apply these same tried and true methods and principles and apply them in the west. Plenty of us are doing that already, without the need to retcon and redefine existing terms.

Applying Antinomian practices from the ELHP is only a part of the work of the WLHP, it does not define the WLHP nor does it make the WLHP complete.
Simply put . . . the ELHP's goal is still to Become One with Brahmin / the Absolute / Whatever You Wanna Call It
While the WLHP is to separate from this 'Absolute' a.k.a. Objective Universe and to realize one's Godself / Higher Self and to bring that into one's lower self

 

[1137]

Thank you for again demonstrating that you don't read the posts you reply to. I said the exact opposite my very last post!

And you wonder why you aren't taken too seriously...

Let me just quote you, emphasis mine.

"A true 'western' LHP would be to apply these same tried and true methods and principles and apply them in the west. Plenty of us are doing that already, without the need to retcon and redefine existing terms."

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Ok, so you can copy and paste, and use tags to bold. you still don't seem to understand what I said though. Try thinking?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Try this, there are many roads to Rome, but you still must head in the right direction, else you can't rightly be said to be heading there.

 

[crossfire]

Some coherency would be a good start.

Say I decide I am a christian. Ok. I don't believe in christ, I don't believe in heaven, or any gods, or devils, or the bible. I don't believe in or live by any christian values or tenets, but I really like the way 'christian' rolls off my tongue. So, I boldly declare myself the envoy of 'western christianity' and believe and do what I already believed and did, just with a new snazzy title!

Exactly the same thing.

I can understand what you are saying. The Eastern LHP-RHP dichotomy and union achieve through their interplay is completely different from the WLHP. The WLHP could more properly be described as the Middle Path of discernment (or lack thereof, depending upon the individual in question,) whereby the individual develops by using and developing intellectual skill, gaining knowledge, and obtaining wisdom and (hopefully) sound judgement. (emphasis on the individual, and on becoming a capable individual.)

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

So why not just call it what it is? Something completely different. Why use a term that shares no common ground? it's just weird.

 

[EtuMalku]

I replied to Satans Serrated Edge on another thread but it applies here as well;
Until we have an accepted term for what we are calling the WLHP, we need to refer to what we are by this term . . . I am ALL FOR a new and improved term

 

[crossfire]

So why not just call it what it is? Something completely different. Why use a term that shares no common ground? it's just weird.

You can probably thank the Theosophists for that.

 

[1137]

Ok, so you can copy and paste, and use tags to bold. you still don't seem to understand what I said though. Try thinking?

Um, it is you obviously stating that the wlhp is invalid (not true) because it does not follow tradition (tried and true methods), the criticizing attempts to create a new system. You often say similar things. Let me quote you, since words mean things.

"Norelation to the real McCoy whatsoever."

"Thereis no 'Western left hand path' because there is no similarity between the LHP and the lapdog philosophy of submission and essoteric mumbo jumbo that supposedly makes it'Western'."

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

And I do. Thanks blavatsky.

It's all right here. I know I know, sourcing myself is lame. But afaik I'm the only one to have connected these particular dots in written form, so it's not like I have options

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Um, it is you obviously stating that the wlhp is invalid (not true) because it does not follow tradition (tried and true methods), the criticizing attempts to create a new system. You often say similar things. Let me quote you, since words mean things.

"Norelation to the real McCoy whatsoever."

"Thereis no 'Western left hand path' because there is no similarity between the LHP and the lapdog philosophy of submission and essoteric mumbo jumbo that supposedly makes it'Western'."

You've missed it again. Sigh.

I've never said a thing about your theosophist mumbo jumbo either way, only that it doesn't meet the criteria of 'left hand path'.

 

[1137]

You've missed it again. Sigh.

I've never said a thing about your theosophist mumbo jumbo either way, only that it doesn't meet the criteria of 'left hand path'.

The WLHP started long after Theosophy... and again there you go complaining that it's not in line with your tradition enough to be valid. Amen.

 

[EtuMalku]

The WLHP started long after Theosophy... and again there you go complaining that it's not in line with your tradition enough to be valid. Amen.

I think the point trying to be made with Blavatsky is how she completely screwed up the meaning behind ELHP tenets and tried to force them into a Western view. She completely annihilated Lucifer. It's because of her that we mistakenly associate the term LHP with anything termed WLHP

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

The WLHP started long after Theosophy... and again there you go complaining that it's not in line with your tradition enough to be valid. Amen.

Well, not everyone can be good at everything. I'm sure you have other talents that compensate for your lack of reading comprehension.

 

[crossfire]

So why not just call it what it is? Something completely different. Why use a term that shares no common ground? it's just weird.

Well, there is the exploration of ones dark side in the WLHP--in order to get to know it and understand it instead of repressing it--so it can be individuated. So it's not like they are totally without common ground.