Liberals Who Own Guns.

[nnmartin]

how about the crime aspect though.

don't you feel that an increase in guns leads to an increase in the number of robberies, shootings etc.?

If we take the guns away then of course there will still be crime with other weapons such as clubs,knives and fists, but at least in these cases many more of the victims live to tell the tale.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I'm a moderate and I own guns. I grew up hunting rabbits and have shot pistols competitively. I can see the wisdom in requiring safety training to own a gun and even restricting some military models from civilian purpose. Unfortunately, most people are too extreme in their firearm views. It is an all or none mentality that keeps any legitimate discussion or progress on the subject.

 

[tree]

I would say that my political views are more like the classical liberal leaning more to the left. I wasn't really raised around guns much growing up except for hunting rifles.

When I was in the navy I realized that I really liked shooting pistols and was rather good at it, so I occasionally go to a shooting range and shoot them to this day, but I still don't own one and probably never will because I feel like they are far to dangerous to have in my home. I have a hunting rifle, but no ammo for it.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Anyone in a public area with a knife or any kind of weapon (could be a screwdriver or baseball bat) could be prosecuted if they had no valid reason for possessing it.

Most liberals I know have a baseball bat instead of a gun for protection. :slap:

 

[Revoltingest]

Most liberals I know have a baseball bat instead of a gun for protection. :slap:

Is that so they can bore an attacker to death by starting up a game?
Cruel....so cruel.....

 

[Father Heathen]

how about the crime aspect though.

don't you feel that an increase in guns leads to an increase in the number of robberies, shootings etc.?

That's why they have extensive background checks, licensing, etc.

If we take the guns away then of course there will still be crime with other weapons such as clubs,knives and fists, but at least in these cases many more of the victims live to tell the tale.

You think criminals will surrender their guns if they were banned?

 

[nnmartin]

no, but it's a start on the road to decreasing the number in circulation, and over time it will be harder for most criminals to get guns.

and baseball bats in the home would be fine, but obviously not wandering around a shopping mall (the same would apply to any object that could be used in an offensive manner)

 

[Viker]

(the same would apply to any object that could be used in an offensive manner)

This is a really broad area from my perspective. I have tools for my bike that could take a chunk of skull or bash in one. But they make bike maintenance simpler. Even my security lock and chord would make a sweet weapon.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

no, but it's a start on the road to decreasing the number in circulation, and over time it will be harder for most criminals to get guns.

and baseball bats in the home would be fine, but obviously not wandering around a shopping mall (the same would apply to any object that could be used in an offensive manner)

Guns aren't a problem, it's the people. I know it is cliche, but if we didn't have guns you would be asking for sword or bow and arrow control.

I can make a bomb easily just out of stuff beneath my kitchen sink. So should we have Draino control too?

 

[Viker]

Guns aren't a problem, it's the people. I know it is cliche, but if we didn't have guns you would be asking for sword or bow and arrow control.

I can make a bomb easily just out of stuff beneath my kitchen sink. So should we have Draino control too?

I bet you got some peroxide and acetone laying around, being a girl and all. Those too together make a beast.

 

[Viker]

Admittedly, some of us could get by without guns. But some bad guys are not impressed/intimidated with screwdrivers or butter knives. Probably because it takes effort to make them work as well as a gun.

 

[nnmartin]

This is a really broad area from my perspective. I have tools for my bike that could take a chunk of skull or bash in one. But they make bike maintenance simpler. Even my security lock and chord would make a sweet weapon.

it depends on whether you could justify having it on your person or not.

If you were walking around your local mall with a heavy bike spanner in hand , but no bike outside , then it may look suspect and could be deemed 'possession of an offensive weapon in a public place'.

 

[nnmartin]

Guns aren't a problem, it's the people. I know it is cliche, but if we didn't have guns you would be asking for sword or bow and arrow control.

I can make a bomb easily just out of stuff beneath my kitchen sink. So should we have Draino control too?

but most places certainly do have sword/bow and arrow control.

It is surely illegal to walk down a public street with such items.

and for sure, if you misused household ingredients such as Draino, then you could be prosecuted too. There are probably laws on how many bottles of certain household liquids you can buy at any one time.

 

[Viker]

but most places certainly do have sword/bow and arrow control.

It is surely illegal to walk down a public street with such items.

and for sure, if you misused household ingredients such as Draino, then you could be prosecuted too. There are probably laws on how many bottles of certain household liquids you can buy at any one time.

There are laws in place that do note how much Draino one buys, mostly because it is used as a prime ingredient in meth making. Let's say you go buy 10 units of Draino and a bunch of sudafed and ammonia. You might have a detective outside waiting on you, might not either.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I bet you got some peroxide and acetone laying around, being a girl and all. Those too together make a beast.

I could theoretically and hypothetically commit a hypothetical make believe homicide with bleach alone but it's just a theory.

 

[illykitty]

I'm from Canada, and now living in the UK. I've never encountered a single case in my life that would have justified owning a gun. I think letting anyone own a gun is just asking for trouble. Anyone can become potential murderers (intentional or not) or at least injure someone out of passion, mistake and/or other reasons.

The worse occasions being children or teenagers taking them and going to shoot their classmates at school. Just check wiki, the US has at least triple the amount of shootings than the whole of Europe!!!

Quite frankly that kind of attitude scares me. It scares me to think that people are so attached to dangerous and horrible weapons like that. And they deny them being the cause of so many issues. Yes it is the owner that is the problem but what if no one should own them?

I feel so much safer to be in a country that has strict gun controls. I do not envy anyone living in the US.

 

[nnmartin]

that's true.

and also how about the scenario where a legal gun owner has too much drink one night due to some kind of issue and then goes on the rampage?

who can stop him before it's too late?

 

[Reverend Rick]

no, but it's a start on the road to decreasing the number in circulation, and over time it will be harder for most criminals to get guns.

No, it will just create a black market, ever heard of the war on drugs? That worked well.

Honestly, if was harder to get guns, more people would have an incentive to make money providing them. You are a thinking man, the flaw in your theory is that the lawless will be affected by another law. Take prisons for example, people get killed there all the time. If someone wants you dead, you will most likely die.

and baseball bats in the home would be fine, but obviously not wandering around a shopping mall (the same would apply to any object that could be used in an offensive manner)

OK using your logic, guns should be allowed to be kept at home as well.

 

[nnmartin]

yes, I think that in some cases guns could be kept at home for self-defence.

and it should be easier to get a licence in a rural area.

 

[Reverend Rick]

yes, I think that in some cases guns could be kept at home for self-defence.

and it should be easier to get a licence in a rural area.

Can you imagine living in a remote area like Alaska where the law could take hours to get to you and not own a gun? Humans are a secondary threat there.