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Library Idiocy

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I already told you, to compare research papers and see if there is any difference or disagreements between psychiatrists around the globe.
but I give up
So you think there is a country somewhere, where the psychologists and psychiatrists changed their minds about homosexuality being a mental disorder based solely on protestor response?

hm seriously?
Yes, seriously. Which of those terms do you think apply to homosexuality?
Homosexuality in and of itself isn't voyeurism.
Homosexuality in and of itself isn't fetishism.
Homosexuality in and of itself isn't necrophilia.
Homosexuality in and of itself isn't transvestism.
Homosexuality in and of itself isn't sadism.
Homosexuality in and of itself isn't exhibitionism.

I can accept to take for granted what you said so far on the subject, I believe you and admit that I'm not qualified to understand the problem,
because according to your words you don't seem to be trolling about your profession, but this APA definition in regard to homosexuality is such a funny example.
I wouldn't expect you to take for granted anything I've said, just on its own. But I have provided evidentiary support for my claims and I would encourage you to verify them for yourself via academic websites, textbooks, etc.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
lol
therefore by definition heterosexuality is "culture"
therefore by definition it is free to be mental condition for heterosexuals.
Everything is foreign (strange, unusual) but that does not make it a mental condition. Putting mayonnaise on french fries is not a mental condition.

This is your definition, which you have based a great deal on. I think it is pretty vague and useless, but if you insist on using it then you are stuck with it.

You are defining sexual deviation and anything that is significantly different from a culture or subculture, not every culture. It doesn’t mean if a mental illness just because the new reformed church of western mariposa finds it strange.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
That's right, that's why culture or subculture doesn't apply to heterosexuals or homosexuals but rather to society such as a country.

This is problem with your reasoning:
Neither heterosexual nor homosexuals qualify as "culture" or "subculture"
Because otherwise what are the "standards" of culture or subculture?
And if you insist otherwise then we're back to my point #316
You are redefining words in your definition to make it say something else.

Neither “culture” nor “subculture” mean “country”. And “subculture” specifically cannot mean the “country” or the “nation”. A subculture must be a subset of a culture. If you need to change the meaning of those words so that your argument makes sense, then your argument is nonsense.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That's right, that's why culture or subculture doesn't apply to heterosexuals or homosexuals but rather to society such as a country.

This is problem with your reasoning:
Neither heterosexual nor homosexuals qualify as "culture" or "subculture"
Because otherwise what are the "standards" of culture or subculture?
And if you insist otherwise then we're back to my point #316
Now you are just being silly.
 

paradox

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Yes, seriously. Which of those terms do you think apply to homosexuality?
Homosexuality in and of itself isn't voyeurism.
Homosexuality in and of itself isn't fetishism.
Homosexuality in and of itself isn't necrophilia.
Homosexuality in and of itself isn't transvestism.
Homosexuality in and of itself isn't sadism.
Homosexuality in and of itself isn't exhibitionism.
Obviously none of these are mentioned in definition, definition itself is generalization as you can see yourself.

I wouldn't expect you to take for granted anything I've said, just on its own. But I have provided evidentiary support for my claims and I would encourage you to verify them for yourself via academic websites, textbooks, etc.
You've done good work here, I can't deny any of your claims since you supported them and see no reason to continue debating on whether homosexuality is or is not mental condition.

What I find very illogical is the unfortunate APA definition.

This is your definition, which you have based a great deal on.
It's not mine obviously, it's definition of APA
APA Dictionary of Psychology

You are defining sexual deviation and anything that is significantly different from a culture or subculture, not every culture.
Again not me but according to this unfortunate and extremely bizarre definition.

Neither “culture” nor “subculture” mean “country”. And “subculture” specifically cannot mean the “country” or the “nation”.
I didn't say it "means" country but "such as a country"

A subculture must be a subset of a culture.
Yes.
But what is "culture" seriously?
What do you think it is?
 

Dao Hao Now

Active Member
What is even more bizarre with this definition is that is says "that is regarded as significantly different from the standards established by a culture or subculture."
Which implies that it depends on country, ex. if one society (country) does not accept it as standard then it's mental condition, otherwise if it does it is not.

Don't you see?
DEFINITION FOR CULTURE (1 OF 1)
noun
  1. the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
  2. that which is excellent in the arts, manners, etc.
  3. a particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation or period: Greek culture.
  4. development or improvement of the mind by education or training.
  5. the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular group of people, as a social, ethnic, professional, or age group (usually used in combination): the youth culture; the drug culture.
  6. the shared beliefs, behaviors, or social environment connected with a particular aspect of society: the rape culture on campus; the culture of poverty; a culture of celebrity worship.
  7. the values, typical practices, and goals of a business or other organization, especially a large corporation: Their corporate culture frowns on avoiding risk.
  8. Anthropology.
    the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.
  9. Biology.
    1. the cultivation of microorganisms, as bacteria, or of tissues, for scientific study, medicinal use, etc.
    2. the product or growth resulting from such cultivation.
  10. the act or practice of cultivating the soil; tillage.
  11. the raising of plants or animals, especially with a view to their improvement.
  12. the product or growth resulting from such cultivation.


    DEFINITION FOR SUBCULTURE (1 OF 1)
    verb (used with object), sub·cul·tured,sub·cul·tur·ing.
    1. Bacteriology.
      to cultivate (a bacterial strain) again on a new medium.
    noun
    1. Bacteriology.
      a culture derived in this manner.
    2. Sociology.
      1. the cultural values and behavioral patterns distinctive of a particular group in a society.
      2. a group having social, economic, ethnic, or other traits distinctive enough to distinguish it from others within the same culture or society.


You can plainly see that country is only a small subdivision of types of culture.

Since we are talking about sexual orientation in this case and that it definitely not specific to countries it’s obvious that is not the culture or subculture in question.

And, since science is not country dependent it certainly does not imply that it is conditional to its being a mental condition.

Granted, certain administrative bodies are either recognized or not dependent on the legalities prevalent in particular countries.

This does not change the legitimacy of established science or its determinations.
Whether they are accepted by the legal system within any given jurisdiction does not change that scientific determination….
Rather is accentuates the obvious bias of intolerant (usually religious) bigotry accepted within such jurisdictions.

Rather ironically it’s just such intolerant religious jurisdictions that are prone to banning books or ideas that don’t conform to that prevailing religion.
That is precisely what make it necessary within this country to prevent such behavior.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
  1. the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
  2. that which is excellent in the arts, manners, etc.
  3. a particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation or period: Greek culture.
  4. development or improvement of the mind by education or training.
  5. the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular group of people, as a social, ethnic, professional, or age group (usually used in combination): the youth culture; the drug culture.
  6. the shared beliefs, behaviors, or social environment connected with a particular aspect of society: the rape culture on campus; the culture of poverty; a culture of celebrity worship.
  7. the values, typical practices, and goals of a business or other organization, especially a large corporation: Their corporate culture frowns on avoiding risk.
  8. Anthropology.
    the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.
  9. Biology.
    1. the cultivation of microorganisms, as bacteria, or of tissues, for scientific study, medicinal use, etc.
    2. the product or growth resulting from such cultivation.
  10. the act or practice of cultivating the soil; tillage.
  11. the raising of plants or animals, especially with a view to their improvement.
  12. the product or growth resulting from such cultivation.


    DEFINITION FOR SUBCULTURE (1 OF 1)
    verb (used with object), sub·cul·tured,sub·cul·tur·ing.
    1. Bacteriology.
      to cultivate (a bacterial strain) again on a new medium.
    noun
    1. Bacteriology.
      a culture derived in this manner.
    2. Sociology.
      1. the cultural values and behavioral patterns distinctive of a particular group in a society.
      2. a group having social, economic, ethnic, or other traits distinctive enough to distinguish it from others within the same culture or society.

You can plainly see that country is only a small subdivision of types of culture.
Interesting. Yes, a culture can envelope multiple countries, yet a single country can contain multiple cultures.

And often the difference between a culture and a subculture is arbitrary.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
I find it odd that people don't see the irony when they call this a freedom issue and yet they don't think people in the town should be free to choose what books are in their library.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
In your view, should you be able to choose what books I have access to?
If I'm on the town board that maintains the library and I speak for the majority of residents, of course I should be able to choose. You can buy porn on your own. Why should we have it where kids can easily access it?
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Including the individuals who don't want certain books in their local library?
No, not including those individuals.

There is a difference between saying “I don’t want to read that book” and saying “I don’t want you to read that book”. I find the second statement disgusting and morally reprehensible.
 
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Dao Hao Now

Active Member
If I'm on the town board that maintains the library and I speak for the majority of residents, of course I should be able to choose. You can buy porn on your own. Why should we have it where kids can easily access it?

And if I was on the board and represented the majority of residents…
You would be OK with my banning whichever books I see fit?

The book in question was in the adult section and then moved to behind the desk only available by request.
Kids did not have access to it at any time.
No need for hyperbole.
 
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