Life Begins at Conception

[angellous_evangellous]

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YouTube - Willie Nelson - Always On My Mind

 

[smokydot]

Absolutely my favorite song of Willie's. . .

But you're just doin' the bury 'em dance. . . uh huh: hamster : uh huh. . .'round and 'round your same ole bush. . .
See post #1491 where I corrected your misstatement. Review it there.

And while you are there, also review you're claim to ending your correcting on this.

I don't trust you to dialogue, you engage in too much mockery, ridicule, obfuscation, misrepresentation.
If I felt you were sincere, and really didn't understand my case, that would be a different matter for me.
But you would have to indicate dialogue would be because you do not understand it as presented.
I am not interested in a dialogue which involves defending the standard meaning of words, nor in dialogue based on one's own personal definition of words.
Nature, person, human being, individual, etc. have standard specific meanings. Those are the only meanings I will consider.
I see your objections as all based in the meaning of words. That's not an open matter for me.

So quote exactly from post #1467, A Case for Individual Human Life Beginning at Conception.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I don't trust you to dialogue, you engage in too much mockery, ridicule, obfuscation, misrepresentation.

Just because people can demonstrate clearly that you don't have a basic understanding of the topic that you address AND then that you come to conclusions based on circular reasoning... it doesn't mean that they are misunderstanding or misrepresenting you.

I've invited you to show me - and not just me, but other readers of the thread - exactly how I am misrepresenting you. I can extend that challenge to the other accusations that I mock and ridicule you as well. Such accusations are baseless and I demand an apology.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I don't trust you to dialogue, you engage in too much mockery, ridicule, obfuscation, misrepresentation.

On the contrary, I sincerely asked repeatedly how old you were so I could treat you appropriately.

I respectfully decline.

If you are too many years my elder, I don't want to disrespect you.

If you are too many years my junior, I can gently lead you.

If you are around my age, well, we can dance.

 

[Willamena]

1) You continually misstate my case so that you can say it is circular reasoning. My case is:

Because biologically-demonstrated human life occurs at conception, therefore, individual human life begins at conception.
The conclusion is incontrovertible.
There is nothing "circular" about it.

It's "circular" because what comes after the "because" is the same as what comes before the "because" (or in your case, because of how you've worded it, what comes after the "because" is the same as what comes after the "therefore").
Edit: "conception" is the beginning occurance.

 

[smokydot]

I apologize if it's not true.
You're just doin' the bury 'em dance. . . uh huh: hamster : uh huh. . .'round and 'round your same ole bush. . .
See post #1491 where I corrected your misstatement. Review it there.

And I'm gonna stick with you're claim there to ending your correcting on this.

So quote exactly from post #1467, A Case for Individual Human Life Beginning at Conception.

 

[thedope]

So quote exactly from post #1467, A Case for Individual Human Life Beginning at Conception.

You posit a case for life, but your case for individual human life at conception, is by definition false, unless you are referring to the mental conception "I want to bear a child."

This may or may not be relevant to your thinking, but which is more valuable, the life of ten minutes or the life of eighty years?

 

[Willamena]

I apologize if it's not true.

If what's not true?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I apologize if it's not true.
You're just doin' the bury 'em dance. . . uh huh: hamster : uh huh. . .'round and 'round your same ole bush. . .
See post #1491 where I corrected your misstatement. Review it there.

And I'm gonna stick with you're claim there to ending your correcting on this.

So quote exactly from post #1467, A Case for Individual Human Life Beginning at Conception.

You didn't correct any mis-statement there, which is why I said:

How am I mis-stating this? It is precisely "conception occurs, so human life begins at conception."

 

[smokydot]

Such statement is not found in the Case.
You're just doin' the bury 'em dance. . . uh huh: hamster : uh huh. . .'round and 'round your same ole bush. . .

See post #1491 where I corrected your misstatement. Review it there.

And I'm gonna stick with you're claim there to ending your correcting on this.

So quote exactly from post #1467, A Case for Individual Human Life Beginning at Conception.

 

[Sententia]

I apologize if it's not true.
You're just doin' the bury 'em dance. . . uh huh: hamster : uh huh. . .'round and 'round your same ole bush. . .
See post #1491 where I corrected your misstatement. Review it there.

And I'm gonna stick with you're claim there to ending your correcting on this.

So quote exactly from post #1467, A Case for Individual Human Life Beginning at Conception.

Wait... Why do you keep posting this over and over?

What was your major premise?

Major Premise: All cellular life containing 45-47 human chromosomes (DNA) and the biological characteristice necessary to sustain life is human life.

So my only question since you missed atleast half a dozen animals that have 45-47 chromosomes and the the characteristics to sustain their lives but not human but are clearly not human is why include it?

Your statement basically says what?

Major Premise: All cellular life containing 45-47 human chromosomes

Human chromosomes? A chromosome is an organized structure of DNA and protein that is found in cells.

What differentiates a regular Chromosome from a human chromosome?

As far as your response to me:

God is not mentioned in post #1408.
That's just the drum you beat. . .

Forget god, I did. Life is a chain reaction. If we all stop having sex then there will be no more human life and the reaction will have ceased.

God or no god. No sex = no more life unless you also intend to prove pathogenesis in humans. (As opposed to boas)

Life begins at conception is untrue... Clearly. Why? Why is life a chain reaction?

Now why do you focus on human life... Does Bovine life not begin at Bovine conception? Feline? Canine? Your major premise is apologizing to the average scholar before you even spit out your reasoning and you wonder why people are not taking you seriously? Perhaps you need more hamster dances in your posts... That might make the point stick.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Wait... Why do you keep posting this over and over?

Laziness.

 

[ellenjanuary]

You guys... here's some "facts..."

Beginning: 13.7 billion years back
Earth: 4.5 billion years back - single celled organisms soon after
Multi-cellullar organisms: 1.8 billion years ago... Auto, feel free to correct my numbers.

Life began more than four billion years ago. Peroid. End of story. The only story here is how long it took for one plus one to equal two - and this fool will do that research some day...

If life=human being, that'll be 21 years old. If ya can't drink, ya don't exist. Seriously, last I checked, long-term memory isn't established in humans until six years after (on average)... I ask those who say "life begins" to tell me...
A) How long after conception can a fetus be excised from a womb and be expected to survive?
B)From. A... how much "nuture" is therefore required to get from A to B to "a productive member of society" as opposed to a "felon in the making (an unwanted child)."

I've already done the calculations. I'm pro-choice, life began way back when, and life shall never end... unless some "pro-lifer" gets to bombing stuff...

 

[smokydot]

Wait... Why do you keep posting this over and over?

Maybe I like to dance. . .

What was your major premise?
So my only question since you missed atleast half a dozen animals that have 45-47 chromosomes and the the characteristics to sustain their lives but not human but are clearly not human is why include it?
Your statement basically says what?
Human chromosomes? A chromosome is an organized structure of DNA and protein that is found in cells.
What differentiates a regular Chromosome from a human chromosome?

If you think about it, you'll figure it out. . .

As far as your response to me:
Forget god, I did. Life is a chain reaction. If we all stop having sex then there will be no more human life and the reaction will have ceased.
God or no god. No sex = no more life unless you also intend to prove pathogenesis in humans. (As opposed to boas)
Life begins at conception is untrue... Clearly. Why? Why is life a chain reaction?

That's individual human life. . .see post #1522.

Now why do you focus on human life?

Duh. . .because that's the OP. . .
And I'm supposed to take you guys seriously?

Does Bovine life not begin at Bovine conception? Feline? Canine? Your major premise is apologizing to the average scholar before you even spit out your reasoning and you wonder why people are not taking you seriously? Perhaps you need more hamster dances in your posts... That might make the point stick.

 

[dust1n]

Life begins at conception, with the union of sperm and egg.

Actually, life doesn't begin... sperm and eggs are quite alive in the exact same manner a zygote is.

 

[idea]

Abortion is murder.

"About 98% of abortions in the United States are elective"
Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
Actual percentage of U.S. abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape or incest, 0.3%..

that means 99.7% had a choice. You can choose to have sex or not, but to choose to murder your own children or not? I think it's sick to murder your own child.


and they are children.
Baby Brain Waves
Baby Brain Waves Measured In Womb


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I celebrate life, life is beautiful, and rare, and should be protected.
Others hate life, want to destroy our planet, kill all the animals, and kill one another...
two different viewpoints, either you value life, or you don't. I for one value life. Life is a miracle.

 

[idea]

Actually, life doesn't begin... sperm and eggs are quite alive in the exact same manner a zygote is.

a sperm on it's own will not grow up to be a beautiful person.

 

[smokydot]

Actually, life doesn't begin... sperm and eggs are quite alive in the exact same manner a zygote is.

Not even close to the same manner. . .see post #1522 for the difference.

 

[McBell]

Abortion is murder.

"About 98% of abortions in the United States are elective"
Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
Actual percentage of U.S. abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape or incest, 0.3%..

that means 99.7% had a choice. You can choose to have sex or not, but to choose to murder your own children or not? I think it's sick to murder your own child.


and they are children.
Baby Brain Waves
Baby Brain Waves Measured In Womb


One of Britain's youngest ever surviving premature babies celebrates her 21st birthday | Mail Online

Jessica Phelan weighed less than a bag of sugar when she was born at just over 23 weeks and four days. But the youngster, who was Britain's youngest surviving premature baby at her birth, has overcome all the odds to celebrate her 21st birthday....

I celebrate life, life is beautiful, and rare, and should be protected.
Others hate life, want to destroy our planet, kill all the animals, and kill one another...
two different viewpoints, either you value life, or you don't. I for one value life. Life is a miracle.

You really need to look up the definition of the word 'abortion'.
Or perhaps you are intentionally ignoring the parts of the definition you dislike?

 

[McBell]

a sperm on it's own will not grow up to be a beautiful person.

Relevance?