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Life Begins at Conception

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smokydot

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CASE FOR INDIVIDUAL HUMAN LIFE BEGINNING AT CONCEPTION:

Definition of Terms:

1. being - that which exists as an actuality

2. human being - of the species Homo sapiens

3. person - living human being possessing a rational nature

4. nature - essence; distinguishing quality or qualities

5. individual - (n.) a single or particular being; (adj.) existing as a distinct entity

6. form, n. - shape, structure or external appearance of a thing

7. substance - essential part; that which underlies all outward manifestations; real, unchanging essence or nature

8. transform, v. - to change the form of; to change the shape or appearance of; to metamorphose

9. gametes - reproductive cells (sperm, egg)

10. conception - formation of zygote by union of two human gametes

11. zygote - union of two human gametes at conception, which union possesses all the necessary requirements for human life

12. human life - cells possessing 45-47 human chomosomes (DNA) and necessary requirements for biological life

13. necessary requirements for sustainable biological life - cells, organization, metabolism, homeostasis, reproduction, growth and development

Major Premise: All cellular life containing 45-47 human chromosomes (DNA) and the biological characteristice necessary to sustain life is human life.

Minor Premise: The individual human zygote contains 45-47 human chromosomes (DNA) and the biological characteristcs necessary to sustain life.

Biological Facts of Minor Premise:

1) Two human reproductive cells (precursors of human life),
neither of which alone is capable of producing or sustaining human life (each lacking necessry number of chromosomes to produce human life, and necessary biological characteristics to sustain human life);

2) unite to produce the zygote (conception), which has the necessary characteristics for human life: (a) 45-47 human chromosomes (DNA), and (b) the biological characteristics necessary to sustain human life;

3) which zygote from the moment of its formation (conception) is of the same human nature (DNA) as the human gametes which formed it, has its own unique genetic code, needing no new genetic information to make it a unique individual;

4) and which zygote then transforms through various forms and stages into a unique mature human being of the same human nature as the human gametes which formed it.
(NB: The zygote develops through stages to the blastocyst, where it may then collapse, splitting the fundamental genetic material in half, leaving the same genetic material divided on two opposite sides of the embryo, and causing two separate fetuses to develop. . .in which case, there are now two individual human lives emanating from the same individual human life originating at conception.)

Because the human zygote from the moment of its formation (conception) has all the requirments for human life [fact 2), above], has its own unique genetic code, and needs no new genetic information to make it a unique individual,

Conclusion: Therefore, the human zygote is an individual human being in its initial form.

The zygote--like the newborn, the infant and the adolescent--needs only to develop in accordance with its already-designed nature received at conception.

The human zygote is human life in its intial form. This is factual empirical knowledge in the field of human biology, and is not based in metaphysical contention.

Humans do not come from a zygote, embryo, fetus, adolescent--humans once were a zygote, embryo, fetus, adolescent.
The conceived is a being who is in the process of becoming, it is not a becoming who is striving toward being.
It is not a potential human life, but is a human life with great potential.

The same being that begins as a zygote continues to birth and adulthood. There is no decisive break in the continuous development of the human entity from conception to death that would make this entity a different individual before birth.

Therefore, common sense, based on human biology, verifies that individual human life begins at conception.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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For that particular list....
I do not think so.

But it is referenced by post number in more than 10.

Though it seems to me that it is better to reference a post by number than reposting the whole thing every time....

Not really. It seems better because the post number has no link and I have to go back and find it.

I've gone back so many times I have these key posts memorized.
 

Sententia

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Then address the syllogism, show its error. Until you effectively do so,

it's good enough the way it is in post #1522, A Case of Individual Human Life Beginning at Conception.

If you sought intellectual growth you would have questioned rather then declaring. Your syllogism is based on flawed premises. Restating them is pointless. Your conclusion is thus erroneous and your persistent arrogance labels you ignorant.

Such is how you seemingly wish it to be. Do you think by ignoring the arguments or insulting people like Mestemia or Angellous without addressing their disagreements is viewed as anything other then another poster suffering from delusions of adequacy? The filter you are processing this thread through in your mind is probably not viewed as rosily colored by most. (But I am just guessing)

Sigh.

Me said:
Wait... Why do you keep posting this over and over?

You said:
Maybe I like to dance. . .

What do you presume to be clever in your response? Do you want some witty comeback and if you do what does that serve? You like to dance? How does that to relate to the hamster dancing in the post you keep repeating over and over? Are you really standing up and dancing?

You said:
If you think about it, you'll figure it out. . .

Which means what? Wow... these people are on to my cut and paste genesis is the new science Kent Hovind Argument... Time for Ad Homs...

If you have no reply then it is best to keep one's mouth shut and let everyone assume your an idiot rather then your chosen path. (And to be fair... That was a layup. Any educated biologist would have defecated all over that argument yet you resorted to ad homs which shades in the details surrounding your cut and paste argument.) Shame.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Then address the syllogism, show its error. Until you effectively do so,

it's good enough the way it is in post #1522, A Case of Individual Human Life Beginning at Conception.

I have repeatedly addressed your points, and you respond by directing me back to the same mindless dribble.

Make no mistake, you have no syllogism. You have a very poorly drawn circular argument. Your premises are the same as your conclusions. I know that you can't see it because you're madly chasing your tail, but if you stop just for a minute and dig deep... and be honest with yourself and others ... you just may escape.

I don't give a rat's *** if you believe that human life begins at conception. What baffles me is your obstinate refusal to thoughtfully review your argument and try to come up with something that is at least partially reasonable.
 

truseeker

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For those who believe in God and creation, the Bible says God breathed life into Adam. Adam was not alive until then. A fetus does not breathe and so is not alive until it takes it's first breath.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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For those who believe in God and creation, the Bible says God breathed life into Adam. Adam was not alive until then. A fetus does not breathe and so is not alive until it takes it's first breath.

That's not the only interpretation, though.

For example:

God breathed life into Adam the earliest point of his creation, therefore human life from the process reproduction begins at the point of creation, conception.
 

truseeker

Member
The description in the Bible sounds like Adam was already created from the earth but was not alive until God breathed into him. So the breathing was the last step in creating him not the first.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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The description in the Bible sounds like Adam was already created from the earth but was not alive until God breathed into him. So the breathing was the last step in creating him not the first.

Yeah, Adam was not formed in a womb.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
a sperm on it's own will not grow up to be a beautiful person.

Neither will a zygote.... Next.

EDIT: Honestly, I think this pretty sums up the anti-abortion argument. The mother always seems to be forgotten in their arguments until their irresponsibility comes up.
 
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