Subduction Zone
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Why would God have to do that? The Earth makes them on its own.
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Life From Dirt?
- Thread starter Jimmy
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By the evidence God is a Creator Naturally not an engineer who needs to design things,
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Here's the thing when I come to "supernatural claims." Why couldn't God or spirits influence people?
Brian2
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I'm not sure what the difference is.
Brian2
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I don't know how you know that except by faith.
I answered the pertinent questions.You said: "What about the critical thinker who has experienced contact with intelligent invisible entities? Does he cease being a critical thinker?"
My response to that was, "How did the critical thinker demonstrate that they have experienced contact with intelligent invisible entities? What even is an "intelligent invisible entity?" How do we distinguish such things from things that don't exist, given that they seem to have the same properties."
So, your response is, to go ask someone else. Noted.
@Sgt. Pepper is a wonderful person whom I enjoy conversing with.
Not really. Unless this dialogue was recorded somewhere. But even if it was and there was a big long back-and-forth conversation, how does that demonstrate a conversation with a spirit entity? I still don't even know what a spirit entity is or how it connects to any god(s).
Well, you brought it up twice.
Cool, so where's all the information so we call analyze it?
LOL Oohhhh, is that why you didn't answer a single one of my questions?
You've ignored almost every question I asked you and chopped my post down to just two lines and then accuse me of asking insincere questions. Why is that?
It seems you don’t like the answers.
(With your other questions, the answers are obvious.)
Amazing, how you wish to ignore @Sgt. Pepper ’s findings.
Why do you think she’s “mistaken”?
She’s very forthcoming. And thorough, apparently.
Just because I disagree with her on the identity of these beings, that in no way implies I deny she is having these encounters with invisible entities. That’s your stance, not mine.
Good point.
God Creates without a design. Engineers design things and often make mistakes and have to start over,
Given evidence of the objective nature of our Physical existence if God exists God Created naturally,
You have not answered anything in terms of science, and the objective verifiable evidence.
@Sgt. Pepper did not find anything.
Being forthcoming and through does not mean she is not "mistaken."
Does @Sgt. Pepper Believe in the objective verifiable evidence of science?
I do not have an issue with the belief in God or other variations in this thread, My concern is specific, be honest about the objective verifiable evidence that supports science,
You are not honest about science and prefer an ancient tribal agenda,
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Subduction Zone
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Didn't you even think about using Google? You could have probably found that out yourself. Even today at "Black Smoker" undersea aeras where very hot water is spewed out from the crust, they are made. I just did a quick Google search and did not even need to type the whole phrase "black smokers ami, and at this point it ask me if I meant "amino acids", so I let it finish the sentence and did the search.
The first article:
If you believe in God(s), God(s) influence people. Supernatural claims are subjective and not supported by the objective verifiable evidence,
Incomplete.
I do not believe in his wording, because he anthropomorphizes the actions of the earth. but the objective verifiable evidence of science demonstrates that everything known physically in the known cosmos comes about by Natural Laws and natural processes. There is no observable 'other cause.'
Not objectively.
Brian2
Veteran Member
The building blocks are the atoms and molecules, the natural environment is the hot underwater springs. God made those and caused amino acids to synthesise. That is a belief by faith and if you believe God had nothing to do with it, then that is by faith.
Brian2
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And to go from there to say that no God was needed is a statement of faith.
Brian2
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I don't understand what you are saying.
Given the potential for atoms to form molecules able to make bodies, I would say God designed the physical.
Given the ability of Genes to store and use information, I would say God designed genes.
Given,,,,,,,,,,,, etc etc.
Subduction Zone
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You are not quite right. Lacking a belief that a god did it is rational since there is no evidence for a god. I do not believe that a god did it or a pixie did it or even a leprechaun.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
From dirt? Not really. A very unscientific remark.
God made more mistakes than a good engineer or a biologist would have made. Think of Coccyx. Forgot to remove the last bone.
Heyo
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If they did, why don't we find any evidence of it? Why do so many people fleece the gullible with supernatural claims (and get caught) but none of these claims ever hold up in a scientific investigation? What would be the mechanism of spirits influencing people (that doesn't break all of science)?
Even if some supernatural force existed it would be so weak and so rare that I'd always bet against it.