Argentbear
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wow an unreferenced and context free quote about a computer search that seems to have nothing to do with my question. Thank you
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Louisiana becomes first state to require that Ten Commandments be displayed in public classrooms
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Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
True, there were Christians that opposed slavery. And they would use the Bible to support their position. There were also Christians that supported slavery. And they would use the Bible to support their position.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
It is fairly these people arguing history need a history lesson, this god addition is not original but dates from the 50's. The motto of the United States was from the beginning E PLURIBUS UNUM. Out of many one. In God we Trust was introduced by the influence of Catholic and other religious groups who thought their idea was somehow better. LOL Maybe my grade school teachers were conservative but that is what I was taught, the idea was that the US was a place for many from different backgrounds without preference. In retrospect the civil rights movements of the 60's was the result of these conservative teachers.
As for the pledge of allegiance, I considered it a reasonable paean to the concept of E PLURIBUS UNUM, but even as a boy scout I was disturbed by the under god line and was silent for that, it was only much later that I found out that it also was not original but added in 1954 in a burst of religiosity after WWII.
Yes we are losing a lot, this spell checker doesn't even recognize PLURIBUS or unum an the AI Grammar checker allcaps pluribus the first time I typed it but not the second and don't even ask about the other stupid things it does. Still haven't figured out how to turn it off.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Isn't that the way with any moral position?
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
The book that can be used to argue that a thing is both right AND wrong, both moral AND immoral, is a terrible guide to anything, just as a GPS trip advisor that tells you to turn both left AND right will never get you home.
Article 11 of the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, declares that
“the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,”
So... Get your Christian ethics out of view of my children. Teach them in private schools, the home and church. Why is this an argument?
“the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,”
So... Get your Christian ethics out of view of my children. Teach them in private schools, the home and church. Why is this an argument?
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
You live in the US?
Yup. All my life. (except the 5 years I lived in Japan in my 20s)
That is also where the state of Louisiana is (the US), so that's where this discussion is about.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Yes and those of us who understand E PLURIBUS UNUM, know what the line in the treaty of Tripoli means and what it meant to the founders.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Oh OK, for some reason I was thinking you lived in Europe.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
I was not talking to you.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
No, but if you claim to be an American, you might want to listen.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Listen to what?
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
I happen to agree with your post. I also happen to agree with the decision made in Louisianna. The difference is in the democratic process. The state represented a majority, federally the separation still stands, and it is on a state to state decision course now, based on efforts and majority rule. This way, the 1st stands for everyone, and each state represents their own majority as they deem fit. This separation enables greater freedom and strengthens our democratic processes per community.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Tyranny of the majority - Wikipedia
You actually read this this time to understand why you are wrong and why the US and indeed the state of Louisiana has these words in its constitution.
make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise.
It is a protection against even the popularly elected legislators enforcing bad decisions.
You are just not seeing it. Yes, the 1st applies to everyone, in every state. Permitting some states to ignore the 1st due to "their own majority" necessarily entails the 1st NOT applying to everyone in those states. Thus, some states could reduce the freedom for some within those states.
Now think: how is it possible to claim that reducing the freedom for some in individual states "enables greater freedom?" You can't! If the Constitution applies to 333 million American, then taking a freedom away from some of them necessarily reduces the number that the Constitution applies to.
Once again, return to the notion of the tyranny of the majority. That applies at state level, too, if state majorities can tyrannize those states' minorities.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The 10 DOES say you shall not covet thy neighbors slave.I am not a theologian, and I rely on the interpretation of the Ancient Testament made by Christian theologians.
No Christian including me is for slavery.
We are discussing about the commandments that will be displayed in schools.
Not others.
That's right.
But interpretation means that now it means "do not covet thy neighbor's things".