Louisiana becomes first state to require that Ten Commandments be displayed in public classrooms

[Pogo]

Look, I am no fan of the Ten Commandments being displayed, as I've stated numerous times in this very thread. I'm just giving their take on things.

Well then maybe follow your comment with

FYI, but I don't care.

and we won't confuse it with your position on the subject.

 

[Kathryn]

Well then maybe follow your comment with

FYI, but I don't care.

and we won't confuse it with your position on the subject.

I don't know why you'd confuse it anyway, considering I've been very adamant in my position against it repeatedly, on this thread. So no, sorry, but I won't take your advice.

 

[Balthazzar]

This. The founding fathers who made the constitution were inspired by figures like Genghis Khan more than Christians (google it)

The ones who put together the constitution, gave us a country where American citizens had a right to own slaves, many of our leaders and presidents before Abraham Lincoln owned slaves.

So, obviously the constitution doesn't matter, because we strongly, as a general rule, on average, in America, disagree with the lifestyle and rights the founding fathers of America and authors of the constitution said American citizens are allowed, and deemed acceptable.

President Abraham Lincoln fought the bloodiest war for America, to take away rights, freedoms, liberties, and lifestyles that the authors of the constitution and early presidents+ leaders, fathers of America granted + did not make illegal or deem it unacceptable.

So, no, Americans these days, the ones on the side of Abe Lincoln, should have no respect for the authors of the constitution.

No where does the Bible promote democracy. It promotes theocracy, where God selected and anointed a king. And the people did not vote.


(Coincidentally, 6/19 is the celebration of freedom from slavery, abolition "June Teenth". It is my sobriety date I want to keep as freedom from slavery of addiction.)



2024 REGULAR SESSION

HB71 by Representative Dodie Horton​

​

---

SCHOOLS: Requires the display of the Ten Commandments in schools

Current Status: Signed by the Governor - Act 676

​ Text Amendments Digests Votes Authors

Date	Chamber	Journal Page	Action​	sort history by ascending dates​
06/19	H​	​	Effective date: 06/19/2024.​
06/19	H​	​	Signed by the Governor. Becomes Act No. 676.​
06/04	H​	​	Sent to the Governor for executive approval.​
05/30	H​	7​	Enrolled and signed by the Speaker of the House.​
05/29	S​	68​	Signed by the President of the Senate.​
05/28	H​	52​	Read by title, roll called, yeas 79, nays 16, Senate amendments concurred in.​
05/22	H​	​	Scheduled for concurrence on 05/28/2024.​
05/20	H​	2​	Received from the Senate with amendments.​
05/16	S​	46​	Rules suspended. Senate floor amendments read and adopted. Read by title, passed by a vote of 30 yeas and 8 nays, and ordered returned to the House. Motion to reconsider tabled.​
05/07	S​	1​	Reported without Legislative Bureau amendments. Read by title and passed to third reading and final passage.​
05/06	S​	17​	Read by title and referred to the Legislative Bureau.​
05/01	S​	30​	Rules suspended. Reported favorably.​
04/16	S​	4​	Read second time by title and referred to the Committee on Education.​
04/15	S​	3​	Received in the Senate. Read first time by title and placed on the Calendar for a second reading.​
04/10	H​	21​	Read third time by title, amended, roll called on final passage, yeas 82, nays 19. Finally passed, title adopted, ordered to the Senate.​
04/09	H​	​	Scheduled for floor debate on 04/10/2024.​
04/08	H​	6​	Read by title, ordered engrossed, passed to 3rd reading.​
04/04	H​	47​	Reported favorably (10-3).​
03/11	H​	11​	Read by title, under the rules, referred to the Committee on Education.​
02/09	H​	​	First appeared in the Interim Calendar on 2/9/2024.​
02/08	H​	​	Under the rules, provisionally referred to the Committee on Education.​
02/08	H​	​	Prefiled.​

P.O. Box 94062 (900 North Third Street) Baton Rouge, Louisiana

HB71

legis.la.gov

Prior to becoming an independent nation, slavery was a very wide spread reality around the world. While America can only be accountable for lower numbers of slaves and slave owners, slavery was still very much part of North American culture and history. I couldn't imagine Lincoln having the resolve to end slavery, but he certainly took that weight upon himself. He was assassinated, but the Emancipation of Proclamation became part of American history and we have been making efforts as a nation since in the civil rights arena.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Look I have delivered meals courtesy of this communist government to your trailer at the end of your 3/4 mile pothole road or were you that ranter in subsidized housing. If not, maybe you should investigate the services available to you to improve your life.
We know you are unhappy, but we live in a democracy, you have the same rights to change it as the rest of us.

No I live in a People's Republic that is run by socialist Democrats. There is no change here. It's one party, one rule, and one mind.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Y'all. Like it or not, the state of Louisiana is saying that these are HISTORIC documents and thus they can hang in the classrooms. Because like it or not, this nation was founded on the Abrahamic, Christian faith. So just like we swear on a bible in a courtroom, or trade in currency that has "In God We Trust" on it, and Congress opens in prayer and all that good stuff, the state of Louisiana is saying that these are historic documents.

MSN

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator..."

 

[Kathryn]

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator..."

I hope you don't think I am for this display, because I am not.

 

[Balthazzar]

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator..."

I'm curious... See, I am a Christian, but I have branched from orthodoxy. I hold those truths to be self evident and if they are not self evident then they are not yet held to be truth's and if not truth's then there is error in the dynamic. If we hold them to be true, then what makes them so, and if not, is this no less evident to those who lack the evidence? To evidence a thing, it should be exampled and if not exampled then they have no substance. I am for the display, and I am for equality, just as I am for that assurance when it comes to others different than I am. What of this Philippians 2:1-13

What is the American dream, and if we are to have equal opportunity, what does the new law in Louisianna suggest?

 

[Regiomontanus]

I hope you don't think I am for this display, because I am not.

A very interesting (and kind if weird) response to my post amplifying your assertion that our nation was based on certain Judeo-Christian ideals.

 

[Balthazzar]

I hope you don't think I am for this display, because I am not.

Are for the 10 display or did I misread your implication? I am for both documents. Our similarities aren't so far apart.

 

[Kenny]

which has nothing to do with my post or the post I was responding to

I’m sorry… so many posts, I’ve lost track on who is on which base.

 

[Kenny]

The First Amendment has two provisions concerning religion: the establishment clause and the free exercise clause.. You keep posting about the free exercise clause while ignoring the establishment clause. The establishment clause prohibits the government from "establishing" a religion.
In Everson v. Board of Education (1947), the Supreme Court held that the establishment clause is one of the liberties protected by the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, making it applicable to state laws and local ordinances.

I believe that the exact application of “establishment clause” and what it meant is still under review. We aren’t establishing a religion where all people need to subscribe to.

 

[Kenny]

It absolutely does, and a test case that went to SCOTUS was here in Michigan whereas one community put up nativity scenes but not any other religions or secular symbols were represented, thus changes had to be made. The Constitution applies to all states, all communities, and all Americans.

Take care.

Which I find odd… since every Constitution very specifically mentions God. Somewhere the translation as presented isn’t correct.

 

[Kfox]

Having that in the classroom is not forcing anything. Ignore as you wish. But I think our kids should be exposed to the truth.

What is truthful about the 10 Commandments?

 

[Argentbear]

I believe that the exact application of “establishment clause” and what it meant is still under review. We aren’t establishing a religion where all people need to subscribe to.

but it is still establishing a state sponsored religion.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What is truthful about the 10 Commandments?

That can be easily weighed by observing the character and actions of those who are supposed to be subordinate to the Ten Commandments.

 

[Twilight Hue]

but it is still establishing a state sponsored religion.

It reminds me of the implementation of In God we Trust on our currency to address the Red Scare of communism during the height of the Soviet Union.

Looking at the Ten Commandments, it probably is going to be pretty clear that this is directed at a certain group of people in the same vernacular as was done with our currency with the inclusion of God in it.

It's most certainly a form a religious based dominance and a statement in a similar vein.

The question who exactly is the inclusion of the Ten Commandments, to be placed by mandate, is being directed and targeted to?

 

[Kathryn]

Are for the 10 display or did I misread your implication? I am for both documents. Our similarities aren't so far apart.

I agree but I am against them. I find it ironic that a state that has parishes instead of counties is hanging a protestant version of the ten commandments in every classroom. But I also don't care much if at all.

 

[Kathryn]

A very interesting (and kind if weird) response to my post amplifying your assertion that our nation was based on certain Judeo-Christian ideals.

I guess if I think about it much, I am opposed to it but mainly because it is a protestant version of the ten commandments in a state that has parishes instead of counties. But I don't think about it very much.

 

[Revoltingest]

I believe that the exact application of “establishment clause” and what it meant is still under review. We aren’t establishing a religion where all people need to subscribe to.

Because it's your own.
Were Islam the one being established, you'd sing a different tune.

 

[Balthazzar]

Like I said, street preacher logic. I remember the bank and its retainer wall at Shattuck and Vine. Regularly occupied.

I didn't suggest that everyone who professes to be acts according to that professing. I suggested that the display would dictate obedience from those who follow the precepts articulated. Most view this as a difficult thing and shortcomings are common, but this is typically due to lacking a spirit of understanding as it pertains to purpose. Street preacher logic tends to be more akin to proselytizing and converting others into, but I'm sure some street preachers are only interested in those who already identify. The display is about the State and that states residents, their kids, and their wishes for them. I'm opposed to making converts of people from different backgrounds. I'm not opposed to leaving an open door for the academic or for personal reflection. I wouldn't want unqualified people attempting to teach me about anything deemed safety critical, so I apply this to the bible also as well as to my own religion. I preferred my own son to be a self-motivated student so I never spoke much to him about my personal ideology. I have exampled both poor and adequate teachings for the reflection.