So please explain how Israel bombing Palestine is any different? I find this one sidedness to be part of and perhaps the largest part of the problem here. No one is blameless. ALL have things to answer for.
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"Love thy enemy": Some thoughts on Paris
- Thread starter Laika
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Saying that you can negotiate with ISIS is like saying we just should've had talks with the Nazis or Khmer Rouge. Um, no.
outhouse
Atheistically
Is this what Islam has taught you?!
That is poof for me.
There is very thin line between all muslims and radical ones.
The ones called good, just don't realize how deep the fanaticism and fundamentalism goes. They are on the inside looking out, we are on the outside looking in.
outhouse
Atheistically
Its like giving someone a steak and saying go in there and pet the lion.
Logic and reason does no work with barbarians who refuse it.
IndigoStorm
Member
Although I am an Atheist I have read the bible from cover to cover. To date I have not done the same with the quran.
But I have read on the Internet that there are many verses in the quran that urge Muslims to kill infidels. Whether this is true or not I can't say. Suffice to say the jihadists are Muslims.
What I can say is that surely the time has come for France to invoke Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, which states that an attack on one shall be considered an attack on all Allies. In this way the full force of NATO can be used to crush these extremists.
But I have read on the Internet that there are many verses in the quran that urge Muslims to kill infidels. Whether this is true or not I can't say. Suffice to say the jihadists are Muslims.
What I can say is that surely the time has come for France to invoke Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, which states that an attack on one shall be considered an attack on all Allies. In this way the full force of NATO can be used to crush these extremists.
I agree but how are they different from Phelps or his like? I hate what they did in Paris. And I agree that it is not only possible but entirely probable they will target DC next. The only real question is when. But does that mean we take a nuclear bomb and destroy all of Syria? how does that help? How did it help in Japan other than to make us look like murderers? Sure, it ended that conflict but at what cost? I mean truly, at What Freaking cost? When does the killing end??????? When both sides are destroyed? And that, my eyes are done for today. Sorry because I am really enjoying this but I cannot see anymore Frank. Dear God..blindness sucks.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I'm not sure that Fred Phelps has killed anyone. That's one difference.
The WBC are despicable, but they're little more than an annoyance. They're not out murdering people. I just feel bad for the children being raised in that cult.
However, ISIS is committing mass atrocities. They engage in sex slavery, child rape, genocide, crucify people, behead people, torture people, are running human slaughterhouses, massacre innocent people, destroy libraries and ancient artifacts, etc. The list goes on and on.
No one's saying we should nuke Syria. But what I'm saying is that there needs to be a unified effort by the people of the world to destroy ISIS and destroy jihadist movements in general. It would be a long and hard struggle, but it must be fought. They have declared war on us - on most of humanity! - but we're all so bewildered and don't know what do to. What we need to do is shove a collective boot up their *** and quite literally exterminate them in the name of humanity, dignity and freedom.
Shusha
Member
Of course not. But divorcing Islam from ISIS is ridiculous.
Useless2015
Active Member
Both are a form of violence and killing. Are you under the impression, the evil coalition led by biggest cancer America is only targeting IS? The West kills everyone from day old babies to seniors.
Source:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...e-afghan-hospital-kunduz-151003043052500.html
outhouse
Atheistically
YES.
It does to a degree. And its just my opinion below right or wrong. This is how an atheist views it.
We need to set this up in context, because it is a problem within islam, and it is NOT an isolated few that embarrass the religion. It is a huge percentage.
WE have a degree of liberal and moderate religions. Right or wrong I'm going to show you an accurate scale of radicalism.
Lest say the most liberal are typical Jews not the orthodox. Population of these people are very small from typical to radical.
Next is Christianity the largest, and we have some fanaticism but it is for the most part non violent.
With islam the fanaticism is required and practiced daily. Imagine if being a YEC was required to be a Christian, that is a similar level of fundamentalism, but not by the minority.
It is required by every last one.
As an atheist, I view this as people living different degrees of mythology as being true. And of all Abrahamic traditions, to me islam lives the most mythology by far.
No amount of facts or evidence can change their mind on core objects of faith, to me when people refuse this much reality, it brings up the element of "how dangerous can faith be" ?
MY point is we have a few radical Jews, we have a lot of radical non violent Christians, and we have all Muslims who are extreme and radical in their faith.
outhouse
Atheistically
That was a terrible tragedy. If we were not over there trying to stop Islamic genocide, it would not have taken place.
Why isn't there christains committing genocide currently?
Why no Jews committing genocide currently?
But muslims are trying to commit genocide all over the globe.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
They do not purposely target children, women or any innocents as ISIS fighters do. That's the HUGE difference between them. If you cannot see the difference between seeking out and purposefully killing/torturing/enslaving/beheading/raping innocent human beings, over seeking out terrorists bases and training camps to kill perpetrators of terrible acts against humanity, I am afraid you are lost.
"Biggest cancer America?" Give me a break. (And I'm not even American).
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
I was worried there for a minute when the red Starbucks cups came out...
The difference is that those are accidents and screw-ups. The West isn't setting out to purposely kill civilians, like ISIS and other jihadist groups are. We try to minimize civillian causalities and we help civilians who have been hurt.
How is the coalition "evil" and how is the US a "cancer"?
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outhouse
Atheistically
Trying to stop Islamic genocide is frowned upon when one sect of islam, is being stopped and another helped.
You notice how he refuses to admit his biggest enemy is another sect of islam, not the west?
Shusha
Member
You don't see the difference between "kill or enslave all the unbelievers" and "could we have a small slice of our homeland back"?
Useless2015
Active Member
Let me get this straight, USA bombs a hospital, kills dozens of innocent patients, baby's and doctors and somehow according to your twisted mind, the fault lies at muslims?
Doesn't the President of America end his speeches with: God bless America?
Israel? How many innocent Palestinians have they killed, tortured? Not enough?! How many land have they stolen? Not enough?! How many basic human rights has Israhell deprived from Palestinians? Not enough?!
I have yet seen an official Islamic army riding their tanks into Europe or America. I have yet seen Islamic drones flying over Europe.
However there are countless NATO drones, tanks, weapons and armybases in Islamic lands.
outhouse
Atheistically
I have always viewed that mosque as an eyesore on the temple mount.
It insult to injury to place a religious structure on someone else's most holy ground.