Love your enemies

[Bird123]

It is clear that you have never been faced
with a really real life situation to challenge that.
"Work toward solving the problem".
What you are talking is pure cant. "Higher level"
"Guide toward greatness"

I was in the hospital for nearly three weeks, I
continue to have screaming nightmares, and
other symptoms of ptsd, years later.

I would certainly have blown his head off if I
could have, and you want "best"? Who knows
what he did to who, after me. Is he still alive?
Are they?

BEST would have been if I could have killed him.

Fixing them??? You cannot fix a sociopath
or a psychopath. I cannot imagine the trauma
even having to see him again. And you want me
to try to fix him. And you see him cooperating
in my effort to guide him unto goodness.

I've no hate, I do not dream of revenge, no
more than if I had been attacked by a rabid
bear.

To somehow claim that I have a moral or
religious obligation to "love" that person is
insane, and a further assault.

Are your results really better hanging on to that hurt for dear life, hating and hurting?

What have you learned through your journey? Which is better hanging onto the hurt or Letting it Go!!!

You say have no mercy for the psycho or hardened criminal. Society locks people away to protect society, but how much is being done to fix the real problems?

Problems never go away until they are solved. Instead of placing all your focus of your hurt, you might champion society and institutions to work on discovering the underlying causes of these people's actions and work at prevention instead of payback.

How would you feel if you push everyone even one step toward resolving the problem? If you could save even one person from going through what you did, the light would shine in your heart.

If you take this path, remember the wheel that squeaks the most gets the most grease. Once you get them moving, their path will become clear.

That's what I see. It's very clear to me.

You have all my Love and Kindness!!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This one?

I'm just saying people who experience horrible things that can't forgive may have internalized hate. When you have hate (replace any negative feeling) for someone else based on someone else's behavior, it prevents one from expressing forgiveness, compassion, and love.

It's a psychological thing. People who experience horrible things that can't forgive "may" have internalized hate. When you have hate (you-general like you-guys) for someone else based on someone else's behavior, that prevents one from expressing forgiveness, compassion, and love.

Everyone handles it differently and it's subjective (one of my posts).

Other than that, is it something else?

 

[Bird123]

No. I remove them from my life and forget about them.

As @epronovost implied, the advice to love one's enemies is not in the interest of the one loving, but of the enemy. It appears in the Bible along with a variety of other claims such as it is blessed to be meek or to offer your enemy the other cheek to smite as part of an attempt to cause people to tolerate exploitation without rising up. It's all about submitting to the more powerful without complaint. Be long-suffering. Your reward will come after death if you just accept your lot without resistance or objection now. That's what kings and emperors want out of religion. Here are some people who agree:

• "How can you have order in a state without religion? For, when one man is dying of hunger near another who is ill of surfeit, he cannot resign himself to this difference unless there is an authority which declares 'God wills it thus.' Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich." - Napoleon Bonaparte

• "If you want to control a population and keep them passive ... give them a god to worship" ~ Noam Chomsky

• "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -Seneca the Younger

Love your enemy is advice from an enemy that serves him, not you. Discard enemies from your life as you accumulate friends. That's my advice.



Forgiveness is overrated as well. I don't forgive without a reason, and that reason will always be one that is intended to repair a relationship that still has value. Thus, I forgave my sister for something that I wouldn't forgive a stranger for. That relationship still had value, and we needed to get past our problem to preserve it. With a stranger or in a superficial relationship, there is usually reason to forgive.

That doesn't mean that I actively hold a grudge, just that if I considered somebody's actions unacceptable once, I don't see why that would change. I would add the advice to forgive everybody to the list above of items that enemies would advise others in their own interest.



Hate isn't necessary, but I've never found it to be much of a problem to experience. It's often purifying. And here I am referring not to an emotion like anger or rage, but a cool assessment that somebody or something is loathsome. Some people only improve the world by leaving it.

It is fine to hate them. I consider all of the hatred of the American president to be a healthy reaction to him. It's those that don't hate such behavior and values that I have a problem with.

In God's system, our actions return, not as punishment, but to teach us what our choices really mean. One needs to very very careful what lessons one wants returning. On the other hand, once one understands all sides, intelligence will make the best choices.

That's what I see. It's very clear I will do my best to give Unconditional Love and kindness. After all, isn't that what everyone wants returning??

 

[ChristineM]

How did I label people?

Are you mixing up Fool and me?

Your post 188 and 204

 

[ChristineM]

How does this have to do with the context in which the word is used?

Are you saying English isn't a contextual language?

What? You brought in love for mother and challenged me to show where it is the same as other aspects of love... I did

 

[ChristineM]

I don't know if you read all my posts. They are long.

Does it matter? I answered one post, not the whole thread

 

[ChristineM]

Are your results really better hanging on to that hurt for dear life, hating and hurting?

What have you learned through your journey? Which is better hanging onto the hurt or Letting it Go!!!

You say have no mercy for the psycho or hardened criminal. Society locks people away to protect society, but how much is being done to fix the real problems?

Problems never go away until they are solved. Instead of placing all your focus of your hurt, you might champion society and institutions to work on discovering the underlying causes of these people's actions and work at prevention instead of payback.

How would you feel if you push everyone even one step toward resolving the problem? If you could save even one person from going through what you did, the light would shine in your heart.

If you take this path, remember the wheel that squeaks the most gets the most grease. Once you get them moving, their path will become clear.

That's what I see. It's very clear to me.

You have all my Love and Kindness!!

my goodness, another one... INDIFFERENCE is not hatred

 

[Fool]

And that same idea in indifference, that way they dont waste there time feeling sick about forgiving and offering compassion a pervert who molested their child or a murderer who killed their spouse.

These things will be remembered all their life, there is no need to add to that trauma by thinking nice thoughts about a violent moron with nothing but sadistic pleasure on their mind. And who would do the same again and again no matter how much compassion and forgiveness you offer them.

indifference is a negative emotion too.


people have the power to change; especially if they can see how their short term behavior can have long term consequences. self-awareness is the key

 

[Audie]

my goodness, another one... INDIFFERENCE is not hatred

Why honour it with any response at all.

 

[Fool]

I guess to clarify it to some, when someone doesn't love other people who wrong them, it can produce internal hate for them.

anger is healthy. when it turns into long term hatred; is where the problem arises. so to be angry is healthy because of the current injustice.

but the act of forgiveness releases the forgiver from that attachment. its a loving thing towards self. it isn't necessarily about the perpetrator. doesn't have to be about the perpetrator. taken far enough the person can also see how the perpetrator doesn't see how the long term effects of their behavior have harmed a lot more than they may have understood. like the butterfly effect, it may come back to touch them. i'm not advocating a close relationship to the perpetrator.

i'm only advocating for social responsibility for all.

While someone may not acknowledge, know, or deny that they do hate, it's there. If one does not hate another expressed or internalized, it would be easier to forgive.

i think that self-awareness is the key again. the attachment to that moment and it's emotional burden taxes the psyche.

However, some people have been through so much stuff that to even think of forgiveness would be out of the question. This produces internalized hate. Though it affects people differently. Some are indifferent to it and set it aside without addressing it. Others are swamped by it.

i have a sister like this. won't discuss it. unfortunately she avoids all kinds of things; which increases the drama for others. she wants others to deal with it but excuses herself from it, even if she helped create it.

 

[ChristineM]

indifference is a negative emotion too.


people have the power to change; especially if they can see how their short term behavior can have long term consequences. self-awareness is the key

Since when has lack of concern, not caring been negative?

My aunt lost her arm in 1996, she and i have got on with and improved our lives since then, interesting that you see improving your life as negative.

Both the attempted murder of my children and the rape occured around the same time 10 years ago. We have all moved on, other than the occasional nightmare they are of no concern to us.

Why do you insist that we should damage our lives just to agree with your ignorance.

 

[ChristineM]

Why honour it with any response at all.

good point, very good point. But i simply cannot abide deliberate ignorance and do what i can to remedy it

 

[Fool]

Since when has lack of concern, not caring been negative?

My aunt lost her arm in 1996, she and i have got on with and improved our lives since then, interesting that you see improving your life as negative.

Both the attempted murder of my children and the rape occured around the same time 10 years ago. We have all moved on, other than the occasional nightmare they are of no concern to us.

Why do you insist that we should damage our lives just to agree with your ignorance.

neglect is indifference. people go to prison for indifference to their responsibilities. neglecting to feed their children, their pets, an invalid adult, not paying attention to the amount of medication prescribed for a patient, et al.


i'm referring to basic human needs that people are indifferent to.

neglecting to pay attention to one's driving, neglecting to insure no one is around when firing a weapon in target practice and hitting someone. neglecting to report a spouse, whom someone loves, because they're raping an elderly neighbor.

 

[Audie]

Since when has lack of concern, not caring been negative?

My aunt lost her arm in 1996, she and i have got on with and improved our lives since then, interesting that you see improving your life as negative.

Both the attempted murder of my children and the rape occured around the same time 10 years ago. We have all moved on, other than the occasional nightmare they are of no concern to us.

Why do you insist that we should damage our lives just to agree with your ignorance.

Profound ignorance.

You cannot reason or explain anything when
the other is in the grip of some idee fixe.

Esp if it involves a chance for virtue signaling.

We seem to have two of them passing out
facile cliches here, people who know so much better
than those who live inside their own skins.

 

[Fool]

Since when has lack of concern, not caring been negative?

My aunt lost her arm in 1996, she and i have got on with and improved our lives since then, interesting that you see improving your life as negative.

Both the attempted murder of my children and the rape occured around the same time 10 years ago. We have all moved on, other than the occasional nightmare they are of no concern to us.

Why do you insist that we should damage our lives just to agree with your ignorance.

the really interesting thing about this thread, you're disturbed by it. this thread isn't about you personally. i'm talking about an idea that has been proven to have health benefits and works.

if you want to wallow in hatred and tribalism, i never told you to do otherwise and yet you keep projecting that idea.

 

[Fool]

Profound ignorance.

You cannot reason or explain anything when
the other is in the grip of some idee fixe.

Esp if it involves a chance for virtue signaling.

We seem to have two of them passing out
facile cliches here, people who know so much better
than those who live inside their own skins.

this thread isn't about you, christine, unveiled artist, or me.


it's about a behavior that has been shown to work and has healthy benefits going forward.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Your post 188 and 204

188 refers to "some" people. Psychologically, people tend to internalized hate (or whatever negative emotion) when they react to someone who has wronged them. It's a psychological thing. There's also a term that hate is internalized depression (Depression is More Than Just Sadness: A Case of Excessive Anger and Its Management in Depression Although this is talking about depression illness, high level emotions can be internalized and expressed themselves as something else. Hate included.)

Of course I mentioned "some" and "may" so you'd have to clarify where you're talking about here.

204: Don't take it personally. Internalized hate because of negative situations can prevent forgiveness. Usually forgiveness is an expression of love.

In other words, forgiveness can be caused by internalized hate. I'm not sure why you're reacting to this?

204: If you don't like the word hate, use another word. It's a psychological thing. Many people develop internalized negative feelings based on terrible experiences. This prevents them from (if need be) showing forgiveness. Forgiveness is an expression of love.

Since you're getting fired up about the word hate, use another word. The point is the same. Psychologically people develop internalized negative feelings based on terrible experienced. This prevents them from IF need be showing forgiveness. Forgiveness is an expression of love.

Edit. Are you hooked on the generalization of "people"?

I read this repeatedly, clarify where you're talking about

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What? You brought in love for mother and challenged me to show where it is the same as other aspects of love... I did

I reread it. Emotions in the same area of the brain doesn't relate to emotions and other abstract words are defined by their context. Regardless how the emotions are processed, that doesn't change the love for one's mother is different than the love for a stranger out of humanity. Contextual means that other factors are involved that make up this "definition". Such as the type of relationship two people have (parent, stranger, friend). Environmental culture. Religion. A person's behavior with other people. Their level of trust.

The dictionary doesn't explain context and brain scans just tell you how the emotions are created.

I'm not sure why you're not understanding this???

 

[Audie]

188 refers to "some" people. Psychologically, people tend to internalized hate (or whatever negative emotion) when they react to someone who has wronged them. It's a psychological thing. There's also a term that hate is internalized depression (Depression is More Than Just Sadness: A Case of Excessive Anger and Its Management in Depression Although this is talking about depression illness, high level emotions can be internalized and expressed themselves as something else. Hate included.)

Of course I mentioned "some" and "may" so you'd have to clarify where you're talking about here.

204: Don't take it personally. Internalized hate because of negative situations can prevent forgiveness. Usually forgiveness is an expression of love.

In other words, forgiveness can be caused by internalized hate. I'm not sure why you're reacting to this?

204: If you don't like the word hate, use another word. It's a psychological thing. Many people develop internalized negative feelings based on terrible experiences. This prevents them from (if need be) showing forgiveness. Forgiveness is an expression of love.

Since you're getting fired up about the word hate, use another word. The point is the same. Psychologically people develop internalized negative feelings based on terrible experienced. This prevents them from IF need be showing forgiveness. Forgiveness is an expression of love.

Edit. Are you hooked on the generalization of "people"?

I read this repeatedly, clarify where you're talking about

I was going to stay out of this, but then.

Don't take it personally. Internalized hate because of negative situations can prevent forgiveness. Usually forgiveness is an expression of love.

In other words, forgiveness can be caused by internalized hate. I'm not sure why you're reacting to this?

I /we take it personally if you think you are talking about
something that relates to us.

I do not forgive, absolutely do not and never will.

Do I have "internalized hate"? No. I am (personally)
not fired up about the word, but, I am annoyed by
the persistent assertion that I hate (by any other
name) a person I do not hate.

I can look into my gizzard for hate, and there is nothing
there.
Now, if I saw him again, I would be transfixed with terror,
no doubt.
Much as one might be if again encountering a rabid
bear that had hospitalized you earlier.
That is not hate.

Is there a problem accepting what C or I say about this?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Does it matter? I answered one post, not the whole thread

You were questioning me on a topic or statement already said in one of my posts. I can't remember now. Since skimming or reading part of it or course lets you miss a couple of points, it's helpful to bring it up. Whether you re-read it or not is your choice, but I do offer clarification if asked since its, well, my post.